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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6517188" data-attributes="member: 5834"><p>You wasted a 3rd level slot that can be used for something else on 15 points of damage. That's why not. You don't do it unless you have no choice. You think it's smart when a dragon breathes on you for 59, 29 on a save, you launch a 3rd level spell for 15 points in return? You don't do that. Not smart at all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No. You don't make a choice. You cast <em>fly</em> to get the martials into battle. Period. Concentration getting broken? Tell me how you make a concentration check when you just took 60 points of damage and the DC is 30 and you get a +3 to +5 on the roll (if you took Resilient? Tell me again about worrying? No, it's going to get broken. Improving your defenses? How? I have a <em>staff of power</em>, <em>bracers of defense</em>, and <em>Mage Armor</em>. That is a wizard's defenses. My AC is 19. Tell me how I can improve them? I cast <em>shield</em> when I need to. AC 19 is nothing to high level creatures. Easy to hit. </p><p></p><p>You're completely missing the point. It's about choosing between my having fun or the martial having fun. Our strategies are effective. That's why we're still alive. Sorry, it's not fun as a player to cast <em>fly</em> and then launch a cantrip a bunch of times. It's not fun at all as a wizard. Those are my options otherwise the martials sit on the ground throwing javelins with disadvantage. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're level 3. Get back to me at level 10. I was having fun at level 3 when <em>sleep</em> was effective, saves were low, and the yard trash wasn't hitting you for 25 points an attack, while having 50 to 70 hit points each while you're still launching 8d6 fireballs. Legendary Creatures are an entirely other matter. It's not real fun when the dragon breathes on the party for 60 points and a Con save, follows it up with a legendary action tail slap for another 10 to 15, then drops a lair action on your for another 10 damage doing anywhere 55 to 85 points of damage in a single round. Then he gets to start hammering you with physical attacks.</p><p></p><p>The gods help you if he gets lucky on a breath weapon recharge and gets to breathe twice on the party in two rounds. You might as well prepare to make a new character.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 6517188, member: 5834"] You wasted a 3rd level slot that can be used for something else on 15 points of damage. That's why not. You don't do it unless you have no choice. You think it's smart when a dragon breathes on you for 59, 29 on a save, you launch a 3rd level spell for 15 points in return? You don't do that. Not smart at all. No. You don't make a choice. You cast [I]fly[/I] to get the martials into battle. Period. Concentration getting broken? Tell me how you make a concentration check when you just took 60 points of damage and the DC is 30 and you get a +3 to +5 on the roll (if you took Resilient? Tell me again about worrying? No, it's going to get broken. Improving your defenses? How? I have a [I]staff of power[/I], [I]bracers of defense[/I], and [I]Mage Armor[/I]. That is a wizard's defenses. My AC is 19. Tell me how I can improve them? I cast [I]shield[/I] when I need to. AC 19 is nothing to high level creatures. Easy to hit. You're completely missing the point. It's about choosing between my having fun or the martial having fun. Our strategies are effective. That's why we're still alive. Sorry, it's not fun as a player to cast [I]fly[/I] and then launch a cantrip a bunch of times. It's not fun at all as a wizard. Those are my options otherwise the martials sit on the ground throwing javelins with disadvantage. You're level 3. Get back to me at level 10. I was having fun at level 3 when [I]sleep[/i] was effective, saves were low, and the yard trash wasn't hitting you for 25 points an attack, while having 50 to 70 hit points each while you're still launching 8d6 fireballs. Legendary Creatures are an entirely other matter. It's not real fun when the dragon breathes on the party for 60 points and a Con save, follows it up with a legendary action tail slap for another 10 to 15, then drops a lair action on your for another 10 damage doing anywhere 55 to 85 points of damage in a single round. Then he gets to start hammering you with physical attacks. The gods help you if he gets lucky on a breath weapon recharge and gets to breathe twice on the party in two rounds. You might as well prepare to make a new character. [/QUOTE]
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