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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6517844" data-attributes="member: 2011">In which case a Wall of Fire, x distance (TBD by scenario) works better than spamming some Web spells that rarely do anything. The Paladin and Druid can always be in the tunnel where only one troll can attack. Anyone dumb enough to go out into a room of trolls and fight, hoping that the wizard can spam enough Web spells once each Web spell is vacated is just begging for a beat down.I still don't see where your example is that impressive. There are a lot of times where Web is great. This still isn't one of them. The only time it has any traction against 5 trolls when there are only 4 PCs is if the trolls can easily attack the PCs. At that point, having the wizard lock down a few trolls at a time MIGHT be advantageous, but even there, the odds are not good since Web is concentration and he can only have one up at a time.Yes, the wizard could, in your scenario, web up the one troll in the front line of the tunnel (two if the PCs were at the edge of the tunnel and the trolls each cover half of it, but the trolls could technically get 2 to 4 trolls often attacking back, room dependent; 2 in the web, 0-2 outside it) and the PCs could beat down on it on some rounds. No doubt. But is the wizard going to cast multiple web spells in order to manage it once the trolls stop trying to go through the web? Even trolls might go off and get reinforcements if their only way to the party means walking through a web spell. Personally, I like Fireball in this scenario a lot more than Web, especially if the trolls bunch up trying to get to the party. It won't kill them, but it will typically take the front trolls down faster, giving the party more action economy overall.I even like the Paladin and Druid holding the tunnel from 10 feet in and the wizard firing Fire Bolts and the archer firing arrows. 7th level PCs could probably wipe out at least a troll per round that way, assuming that the DM does not have the trolls grappling and pulling PCs out of the tunnel. That could be really bad.</blockquote>

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