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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6518130" data-attributes="member: 6787650">No, without web zero trolls would be hors de combat. They would have the option of grappling PCs and pulling them back, or overrunning them and smashing through the front lines, or running away. They would have full mobility and could melee kite in order for all five of them to attack at once, at the cost of eating one opportunity attack from each frontline PC. That's a trade I would gladly make in their shoes.Trolls aren't really rock-throwers, and it is beyond me why you think "running to go get reinforcements" is a good tactic. (It just splits the trolls up further.) At the beginning, the trolls see easy meat and lope on over to go eat it. The wizard held his spell until the trolls had already engaged, then there was a lot of snarling and snapping and thunking and sticky confusion and then three of the trolls were dead, one was out of the web and running away (he got caught by the Shadow Monk next round), and one was still stuck in the web getting beat on by the PCs.If it hadn't been for the Web, the trolls would at least have been able to coordinate effectively. They're probably not smart enough to melee kite, but they are smart enough to hold their attacks looking for an opening, so at minimum they'd have been inflicting 2 full Trolls' worth of attacks every round, or about 236 HP of damage over the course of the 7-round fight. And of course, without Web, the fight would have lasted longer than 7 rounds as well. Web was totally worth it.You misunderstand. This is not a proof that Web is the only worthwhile spell. This is a response to Gadget's post #447. "Perhaps a few too many spells are concentration, does web really need this limitation?" I'm just pointing out that Web is already a fantastic spell, not a poster child for underpowered spells as I thought he was implying. (Also, it is in fact convenient to be able to drop Web at will by ceasing to concentrate on it.)</blockquote>

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