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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6518370" data-attributes="member: 6787650"><p>Nope, you're wrong about this. Troll #1 ran away at the very first opportunity he had, which was on round #5. (Round #2 was when Web was cast, he failed his save; on rounds #3 and #4 he was still caught; on round #5 he broke free and fell back.) You're very persuaded that grappling would have been a killer strategy, so much so that my <em>not</em> having employed it is, in your mind, enough to render the entire exercise irrelevant. I'm less persuaded. Trolls are fairly poor at grappling PCs already, and then when you add in difficult terrain and Web spells they become even worse at it. Grappling is not a hard or soft counter in this situation--the smartest thing the trolls could have done was break and run at the first glimpse of the adventurers, and I'm sure you would have loved it if I had had them do that--but that won't happen without metagaming. A whole band of five hungry, fearless trolls simply does not run without a good reason, which definitely involves taking one or more casualties or facing fire.</p><p></p><p>YMMV obviously. Maybe you like to play trolls more like kobolds than like carnivorous omni-killing machines.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Wow. YM obviously does V, because that sounds <em>incredibly</em> boring to me. As a cantrip it would be meh, might as well, but as a 2nd level spell it's just terrible, not even slightly cool. I really don't think the 5E wizard class was designed for you at all.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6518370, member: 6787650"] Nope, you're wrong about this. Troll #1 ran away at the very first opportunity he had, which was on round #5. (Round #2 was when Web was cast, he failed his save; on rounds #3 and #4 he was still caught; on round #5 he broke free and fell back.) You're very persuaded that grappling would have been a killer strategy, so much so that my [I]not[/I] having employed it is, in your mind, enough to render the entire exercise irrelevant. I'm less persuaded. Trolls are fairly poor at grappling PCs already, and then when you add in difficult terrain and Web spells they become even worse at it. Grappling is not a hard or soft counter in this situation--the smartest thing the trolls could have done was break and run at the first glimpse of the adventurers, and I'm sure you would have loved it if I had had them do that--but that won't happen without metagaming. A whole band of five hungry, fearless trolls simply does not run without a good reason, which definitely involves taking one or more casualties or facing fire. YMMV obviously. Maybe you like to play trolls more like kobolds than like carnivorous omni-killing machines. [COLOR=#000000] Wow. YM obviously does V, because that sounds [I]incredibly[/I] boring to me. As a cantrip it would be meh, might as well, but as a 2nd level spell it's just terrible, not even slightly cool. I really don't think the 5E wizard class was designed for you at all.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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