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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jefe Bergenstein" data-source="post: 6518810" data-attributes="member: 31506">I don't understand why you seem to be counting the multiple to hit rolls of scorching ray as a bad thing. It offers more chances to crit, and makes your damage more consistent. If the rogue pooches his attack its much worse for him. You also seem be listing half damage on a save is a wizard disadvantage... that's on par with damage on a miss for the rogue. Plus you can target different saves if you pick a variety of spells, making you more likely to target a monster's weak spot. The rogue is stuck with AC only. At 3rd level the Rogue does d8 (rapier) + 2d6 + stat. Not magic so subject to resists, conditional (though admittedly pretty easy to achieve). Avg 14.5 damage assuming 17 starting stat (standard array, +2 from race). Scorching Ray - 3 rolls  for 2d6 each. Magic attack. Less swingy, more chance to crit. Avg 21. Approaching 50% more damage. Catch 2-3 foes in a shatter or burning hands and your total damage improves greatly. Flaming sphere can significantly up your damage over time. If you'd picked evocation you can even exclude a couple of your allies from taking damage, making them even easier to use. At 5th level the rogue adds another 3.5 damage plus a likely 1 from his stat bump, for a total of 19. You pick up some more damage if that's what you're aiming for. Lightning bolt/Fireball deal 36 on average. Almost twice his damage. Hit two things with one of those spells, your damage ramps up. Oh, and you can nova through your spells if you want, meaning you'll dominate single/low encounter number days. The rogue is pretty much stuck at the same baseline. Wizards have versatility and unique abilities that cannot be duplicated by martial characters. I find it OK if they aren't total combat monsters because the game is more than just depleting enemy hit points. However in general, you picked the wrong class for damage, and you really picked the wrong wizard specialization/tradition for it. Also, if you want to knock stuff down or back, ask your DM to let you make up a spell that does more interesting effects you'd have fun with. A mini AE earthquake that deals 2d6, knocks 10' prone on a failed save sounds solid for a 2nd level spell. Also the PHB just came out. Right now you are certainly at the low point for filling every slot with an awesome spell.  I can assure you more spells are in the pipeline. Hell, the nature of that particular form of bloat almost guarantees that the wizard's power level improves as the edition ages, by virtue of more borderline or straight up overpowered spells getting added.</blockquote>

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