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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6518905" data-attributes="member: 6787650">Let's leave the ad hominem attacks out of this, shall we? You spend the rest of your post proving my point by detailing how un-fun you find 5E wizards--so why are you accusing me of arguing in bad faith for saying you clearly aren't the guy 5E wizards were designed for? You agree with the substance but don't like the way I said it?Yes, Silence is now niche and PASS Without Trace has mostly taken its place for sneaking, while Counterspell has replaced it as an anti-caster spell. (Which initiative system you use can affect utility of anti-caster Silence BTW.) So what? It's a new game.No, wizards are not "one trick ponies" solely reliant on Web. If you love knockback and pits of undead, why aren't you casting Thunderwave? Other awesome wizard spells range from Polymorph to Disguise Self to Animate Dead to Minor Illusion/Phantasmal Force to Leomund's Tiny Hut to Arcane Eye to Suggestion. Instead of lecturing me on how I obviously don't grok that people play wizards for versatility because I happen to find Thunderwave dull, try reflecting on the possibilities for versatile wizardry in 5E. Obviously some wizard-inclined players are doing just fine. Either they're just better at the game than you are or you don't enjoy the things they are enjoying about 5E wizards. I've asserted the latter because assuming the former would be rude and unsound. You should return the courtesy.</blockquote>

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