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Low Level Wizards Really Do Suck in 5E
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<blockquote data-quote="DaveDash" data-source="post: 6538041" data-attributes="member: 6786202"><p>The Wizard can still avoid all damage by using full cover to his advantage. Full cover > any AC. The Fighter in your example using 2H weapons cannot. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you want to play a class that is the best in combat, you're not playing the right class. You also keep comparing the Wizard to the single best combat class in the game, who has had a huge boost from previous editions, but basically is only really good at that one single thing.</p><p></p><p>Like I keep telling you, the Wizard is the Rogue (or perhaps more like a Lore Bard) of spell casters. Good all rounder, master of none. I'm not going to roll up a Lore Bard then come into the forums and complain my character sucks in combat compared to a Fighter. </p><p>Sorcerer is a more screwed at lower levels than the Wizard, but they do become combat machines pretty quickly. Maybe you ought to play a Sorcerer instead, because I get the feeling you just don't "get" the Wizard. Then soon enough you can start throwing around twinned scorching rays and start feeling like the man in combat.</p><p></p><p>And all this complaining about low level is ridiculous anyway, since 1st and 2nd level are over very quickly.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. If I make a NPC Wizard with Jump, Comprehend Languages, etc as his spell selection, he's going to have a much lower CR than if he has fireball, greater invisibility, shield, etc.</p><p></p><p>Spells are not created equal, and if you lack spell mastery, you're going to have a bad experience with the class. You can't just pick things willy nilly and expect to compete with the other classes. </p><p></p><p>Like I keep saying, it's a thinking persons/problem solving class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DaveDash, post: 6538041, member: 6786202"] The Wizard can still avoid all damage by using full cover to his advantage. Full cover > any AC. The Fighter in your example using 2H weapons cannot. If you want to play a class that is the best in combat, you're not playing the right class. You also keep comparing the Wizard to the single best combat class in the game, who has had a huge boost from previous editions, but basically is only really good at that one single thing. Like I keep telling you, the Wizard is the Rogue (or perhaps more like a Lore Bard) of spell casters. Good all rounder, master of none. I'm not going to roll up a Lore Bard then come into the forums and complain my character sucks in combat compared to a Fighter. Sorcerer is a more screwed at lower levels than the Wizard, but they do become combat machines pretty quickly. Maybe you ought to play a Sorcerer instead, because I get the feeling you just don't "get" the Wizard. Then soon enough you can start throwing around twinned scorching rays and start feeling like the man in combat. And all this complaining about low level is ridiculous anyway, since 1st and 2nd level are over very quickly. Yes. If I make a NPC Wizard with Jump, Comprehend Languages, etc as his spell selection, he's going to have a much lower CR than if he has fireball, greater invisibility, shield, etc. Spells are not created equal, and if you lack spell mastery, you're going to have a bad experience with the class. You can't just pick things willy nilly and expect to compete with the other classes. Like I keep saying, it's a thinking persons/problem solving class. [/QUOTE]
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