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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6540377" data-attributes="member: 2011">I considered them and discarded them. Expeditious Retreat vs. a bow is not smart. Even Expeditious Retreat vs. a bow and the wizard goes behind total cover is not very good. Fighter readies an arrow for when he spots the wizard. If wizard comes out to attack, he's shot at (the ready action happens after the movement).Way ahead of you there chief. You are also assuming that they are out in the wilds somewhere where an Owl might be a normal occurrence. How about in a desert? In a town? In a cave? In a dungeon? Owls stand out in those circumstances and the fighter might just go hide and set up an ambush.Hold Person is "I win"? Let's see. Wizard wins init. Casts Hold Person. Fighter saves or does not save. At end of Fighters turn, Fighter saves or does not save. In order to gain any advantage, the Fighter would have to miss both saves. It can easily be a waste of the wizard's spell. Seriously? You consider that smart? <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />Even with a Wis modifier of 0, that's a 60% chance of success times a 60% chance of success or 36% chance of success of advantage wizard, 40% chance of nothing happens. If the fighter has a +1, it drops to 30% chance of success of advantage wizard, 45% chance of nothing happens. Either way, the odds are better for the fighter than the wizard.Suggestion is stronger than Hold Person.What happens if wizard loses init? Fighter comes up and attacks, AC 15 with Mage Armor, two handed weapon fighter hits 55% of the time for 11 points (or more with a critical). Wizard could be half damaged. If he (can) Shield it, he's now down a first level and about to cast a second level spell that (maybe) has a 36% chance of success for at least one round. Course, if Mage Armor is not yet up for the day... No doubt about it, the higher the level, the more the odds favor a fresh wizard over a fresh fighter.The entire combat is skewed towards the wizard from the start. How do you guarantee that the wizard and/or the fighter have not already been in one or two combats that day? Wizards get 2 or 3 spells. Fighters get one heal. These type of comparisons are always dumb because both PCs would be in an adventuring group. Maybe the fighter happens upon the wizard while the wizard is camping. Maybe the wizard happens upon the wizard while the wizard is camping. Maybe they bump into each other unexpected in a tavern.Nobody is forcing you to respond. Feel free to move on to something more interesting for you.</blockquote>

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