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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6592216" data-attributes="member: 996">Tasha's Laughter is pretty good too.&nbsp; But, IMX, at low level, if you have Cure Wounds, you cast Cure Wounds, a lot.&nbsp; It's more a burden than an added option.&nbsp; At higher levels, that effect is moderated a bit, as you're not constantly needing to bring PCs back up.&nbsp;You are aware that levels 1-4 go /very/ quickly, I assume.&nbsp;Druids are pretty awesome, they certainly stay in Tier 1, for instance.&nbsp; I'm not convinced that the wizard is 'far' from them, as a caster though.&nbsp;Perhaps marginally more effective because of things other than casting - like class abilities or having those extra 2 hps for d8 HD instead of d6 at 1st level or wearing a bit of armor - but, as casters, it doesn't look like they're ahead, at all.&nbsp; In fact, at low level, a lot of their casting is going to be eaten up healing.&nbsp;The utility of everything in 5e is DM dependent.&nbsp; And, yes, the Sleep spell was classically the best 1st level spell, the Wizard would cast it once/day at 1st level and that was his whole claim to fame - if he was even lucky enough to randomly start with that spell.&nbsp; In 3e, he casts it twice, and can re-gain it once with a short rest, and he guaranteed it if he wants it.&nbsp;True of all casters, but less true of prepped full casters (Cleric, Druid, &amp; Wizard), and least true of the wizard while the healing burden is eating up the slots of the other two.&nbsp;Not going to argue with that.&nbsp; Not that I agree entirely, just that I don't feel like arguing.... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />OK, maybe I'll quibble a little.&nbsp; By 5th, the rest of the party is getting durable enough that the Cleric, Druid, &amp; Bard won't be blowing so many of their slots and actions to heal dropped allies in combat.&nbsp; Also: I can't help but notice that the Sorcerer and Warlock didn't bear mentioning?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6592216, member: 996"] Tasha's Laughter is pretty good too. But, IMX, at low level, if you have Cure Wounds, you cast Cure Wounds, a lot. It's more a burden than an added option. At higher levels, that effect is moderated a bit, as you're not constantly needing to bring PCs back up. You are aware that levels 1-4 go /very/ quickly, I assume. Druids are pretty awesome, they certainly stay in Tier 1, for instance. I'm not convinced that the wizard is 'far' from them, as a caster though. Perhaps marginally more effective because of things other than casting - like class abilities or having those extra 2 hps for d8 HD instead of d6 at 1st level or wearing a bit of armor - but, as casters, it doesn't look like they're ahead, at all. In fact, at low level, a lot of their casting is going to be eaten up healing. The utility of everything in 5e is DM dependent. And, yes, the Sleep spell was classically the best 1st level spell, the Wizard would cast it once/day at 1st level and that was his whole claim to fame - if he was even lucky enough to randomly start with that spell. In 3e, he casts it twice, and can re-gain it once with a short rest, and he guaranteed it if he wants it. True of all casters, but less true of prepped full casters (Cleric, Druid, & Wizard), and least true of the wizard while the healing burden is eating up the slots of the other two. Not going to argue with that. Not that I agree entirely, just that I don't feel like arguing.... ;) OK, maybe I'll quibble a little. By 5th, the rest of the party is getting durable enough that the Cleric, Druid, & Bard won't be blowing so many of their slots and actions to heal dropped allies in combat. Also: I can't help but notice that the Sorcerer and Warlock didn't bear mentioning? [/QUOTE]

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