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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Wizard Dolomite" data-source="post: 6592684" data-attributes="member: 6794037">How do you get enough leverage to move and try and lift something off you by its edges when you are face down and have spikes petruding from every side but the ground side? Your also in a box with very little light, stuck looking down more or less, and I should also have pointed out the box he was incased in appeared to be made of the same stone the dungeon was made out of, stone is pretty heavy. He essencially couldnt move a hare without in his mind being sliced and poked. Yes, a dm could say he accidentally bumps into it and reveals it, but I wouldnt say the dm allowing it would be lenient, I would say the dm disallowing it would be strict. I get that we do suck at damage, I wont discount that. Yes, I only held a guy in a box for a few rounds, whereas the fighter would have killed that guy, then moved forward and killed another guy in that 1 round at those lower levels. But the trade off is that fighter simply gets to swing a sword and kill a guy, whereas I get to trap people in spiked boxes. No one is amazed at the fighters stabidy stab kills, they are entertained and enjoy the things I do.  Yes if you look at dnd like pure combat then the wizard is gimpy at low levels. But think of gandalf, he is guiding the party with his wisdom, he fights mostly with a sword and is gimpy compared to legolas and araborn who are taking down all the enemies, but then a balrog of morgoth shows up, and gandalfs power shines as he takes it by himself. This is how i approach my wizard, and I make it a point to always think things through and offer up inventive or wise suggestions to my party, and the people I play with are all pretty new, and I tell no one what spells I took, so the few occasions when I deem a spell slot worth to be expended, my group are always on edge to see what sort of trick im going to conjure up next. I believe this is the 5e approach to wizards, and its ment for people who have that sort of play style. And the sorc and warlock like other people have said, are ment for those who wish to do more spell damage.Then again, perhaps I am wrong. I have only played one other editions, 4e and we had no wizard in the party so I have no previous experence with him. The only thing I can say for certain is, without having ever played or seen a previous wizard in DND, I am very much enjoying my class (Though i would like to have a couple more spell slots or an int mod on firebolt I wont lie), and I am able to affect my battlefield in ways other then pure damage that never leaves me feeling like I am not pulling my weight.</blockquote>

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