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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6599688" data-attributes="member: 5834">They do either for a few rounds depending on the save, then the martials will do the damage to finish them. Hold and dominate aren't the powerful options they were in 3E. I don't even take those spells any longer. Seems like a waste of time to use. A mass of weak creatures are better eliminated with AoE spells. A single tough non-legendary creature is killed very quickly by your martials, so that wasting a 5th level slot isn't appealing. Legendary creatures laugh at save spells. I don't think there would be much of an issue at all adding ability damage to cantrip damage. They made save spells fairly weak in this game and they take a concentration slot. I haven't used a single hold or dominate spell in this game for 16 levels because of concentration. Once I need to cast fly or some other buff like protection from energy, all those hold and dominate spells are out the window. Once again, I don't see that as a factor in adding cantrip damage. The Concentration mechanic already prevents you from using concentration spells that would in anyway imbalance the +5 damage to cantrips.</blockquote>