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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6600000" data-attributes="member: 2011">Not a demilich. It dies at max hit points of 90. Medusa at 127 hit points is not that much better protected. Or werebear, or lich, or a bunch of others that have less than 140 hit points. The Rogue hits it and the Wizard auto-kills it without the Wizard making any sort of dice roll in round one.And most 20th hit dice creatures are in the ballpark of 200 hit points, usually less (except for Dragons, usually ancient, and a few others that have >= 20 CON). A Death Tyrant is a 25 hit dice creature with 187 hit points.Out of about 35 17th and higher level monsters in the MM, something like 8 have between 300 and 400 (some of them just barely 300 and some of them 24th or higher level), and something like 7 have 400+. That's less than half.That's a lot of types of high level foes that the wizard cannot auto-one shot, but it's only a round or so before he can.Sometimes, it's how foes die that matters at tables (especially if those foes are PCs when the NPCs use PWK against them). Maybe not at your table.The thread went off the wheels a long time ago, but people are having fun discussing, so that's ok.</blockquote>