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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Goemoe" data-source="post: 6603467" data-attributes="member: 72224">Arcane recovery is no gain vs. sorcery points, I see them equal. Both offer many new choices. The longer spell list is like beating a dead horse. Well yes, but that can't be all and does not help you much in combats and especially during lower levels. Our groups never play beyond level 10, so we have to look at the classes from lvl 1-10 (which meets the name of the topic well) The sorcerer can well get all those rituals easily via feats, no big deal here to. Our sorcerer follows the fey path and gets his sprite familiar as a choice leaving out resistance, more damage and still chose it over the wizard. The sorcerer gets some bang for the buck, the wizard doesn't. The only argument over and over is his spell-list. What about all his class features? Other than arcane recovery there is nothing worth mentioning and that is exactly the point. If the wizard would have some other cool features (which he did in earlier editions) like spell mastery (18th lvl? really who is playing 18th lvl chars?), spell research, meta magic, signature spells or something really great about its schools, we wouldn't have over 100 pages of discussions about the weak and mostly boring (as a class, I would still play one which is a totally different topic. I wouldn't discuss it, if I wouldn't care <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ) class as written.Really? You don't need furniture because you have lots 'n lots of rooms? <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/worried.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":-S" title="Uhm    :-S" data-shortname=":-S" />My group will revamp the wizard totally. We will split it into Researcher, Specialist(as a single subclass) and Artificer(worth its name). We believe the problem with the wizard has been the vision of the designers to must have specialists as subclasses. Those are not different enough to justify complete subclasses watering the whole wizard down to a boring excuse with a great spellist. I know I can't convice you, but perhaps some designer get a clou in this thread what went wrong. Well yes, it went wrong or we would not have this discussion. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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