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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 7548462" data-attributes="member: 5889">I still fail to see how comparing 5e wizards to 1e ones makes a bit of difference to this argument....considering monsters, casters, and noncasters have all had radical differences since that time.The simply question is....are 5e wizards capable of equivalent contribution to the campaign at 1st - 3rd level compared to a fighter? In my viewpoint, the answer is an immediate yes.Are they physically weaker than a fighter?&nbsp; Of course. So weak that a sneeze blows them away? Not anymore, they are fragile, but not glass like they used to be, but they still need protection from that front line.Are their spells effective? Heck yeah. Spells like sleep are still rock solid, just not the &quot;single handily win the fight with one spell&quot;. But they can still drop more orcs than a 1st level fighter could ever dream in 1 round. Their cantrips provide staying power, allowing them to contribute well all day long.Can they contribute out of combat? They have knowledges, utility cantrips, and rituals. Doing just fine from what I can see.So what's the real problem here?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 7548462, member: 5889"] I still fail to see how comparing 5e wizards to 1e ones makes a bit of difference to this argument....considering monsters, casters, and noncasters have all had radical differences since that time. The simply question is....are 5e wizards capable of equivalent contribution to the campaign at 1st - 3rd level compared to a fighter? In my viewpoint, the answer is an immediate yes. Are they physically weaker than a fighter? Of course. So weak that a sneeze blows them away? Not anymore, they are fragile, but not glass like they used to be, but they still need protection from that front line. Are their spells effective? Heck yeah. Spells like sleep are still rock solid, just not the "single handily win the fight with one spell". But they can still drop more orcs than a 1st level fighter could ever dream in 1 round. Their cantrips provide staying power, allowing them to contribute well all day long. Can they contribute out of combat? They have knowledges, utility cantrips, and rituals. Doing just fine from what I can see. So what's the real problem here? [/QUOTE]

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