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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 7555386" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Assuming that a low level wizard actually has this. IME, most don't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, you are assuming that the wizard is within 30 feet of the foe to begin with. Many encounters do not start that way. If the wizard hangs back, which many players do with squishy wizards, then yeah, most of the time, s/he will spend some or all of the PC's movement just getting in range and the front rank of melee PCs will often provide a cover bonus. Always? No. But, often enough. And even when they don't, the wizard is still getting within 30 feet (normal movement rate) of a foe.</p><p></p><p>It's somewhat rare that the enemies are behind or to the side of the front rank so that a PC wizard has an unobstructed view and none of the other NPCs can easily get to the wizard. It happens, but the very fact that it happens means that the wizard is often even more susceptible to counterattack.</p><p></p><p>You are also assuming that the player of a low level wizard would want to prep a witch bolt on a given day. It seems like it would often just take up a precious prep slot.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah. Not all low level PCs have feats or the exact feat needed, but if you want to make up perfect scenarios where Witch Bolt is useful, I guess you can try. Course in the scenario of actually using witch bolt, again it wouldn't be wasted on goblins. Typically it would be used on a tougher foe with a lot of hit points in order to whittle that foe down. Given that, many foes with a lot of hit points within 30 feet of a wizard can eat an OA in order to go attack the wizard (since not all low level melee PCs have Sentinel). Foes with a lot of hit points often do more damage than normal as well. For a PC with a 16 Int, it doesn't sound like an intelligent strategy. YMMV based on PC abilities and the exact scenario.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 7555386, member: 2011"] Assuming that a low level wizard actually has this. IME, most don't. Unfortunately, you are assuming that the wizard is within 30 feet of the foe to begin with. Many encounters do not start that way. If the wizard hangs back, which many players do with squishy wizards, then yeah, most of the time, s/he will spend some or all of the PC's movement just getting in range and the front rank of melee PCs will often provide a cover bonus. Always? No. But, often enough. And even when they don't, the wizard is still getting within 30 feet (normal movement rate) of a foe. It's somewhat rare that the enemies are behind or to the side of the front rank so that a PC wizard has an unobstructed view and none of the other NPCs can easily get to the wizard. It happens, but the very fact that it happens means that the wizard is often even more susceptible to counterattack. You are also assuming that the player of a low level wizard would want to prep a witch bolt on a given day. It seems like it would often just take up a precious prep slot. Yeah. Not all low level PCs have feats or the exact feat needed, but if you want to make up perfect scenarios where Witch Bolt is useful, I guess you can try. Course in the scenario of actually using witch bolt, again it wouldn't be wasted on goblins. Typically it would be used on a tougher foe with a lot of hit points in order to whittle that foe down. Given that, many foes with a lot of hit points within 30 feet of a wizard can eat an OA in order to go attack the wizard (since not all low level melee PCs have Sentinel). Foes with a lot of hit points often do more damage than normal as well. For a PC with a 16 Int, it doesn't sound like an intelligent strategy. YMMV based on PC abilities and the exact scenario. [/QUOTE]
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