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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7556247" data-attributes="member: 6919838">Generally we agree here. The only thing I would say about the Crawford data is to point out that also based on their data most games played rarely make it out of tier 2.Now add-in one shots and pick-up games at FLGS and I can see it very easily true that most characters dont take feats. The key bring it is slanted or skewed by all those brief &quot;adventuring careers&quot; that may span only one or two sessions.I imagine if the datasets were filtered by &quot;characters that were played in campaigns thru 8 or more levels&quot; the frequency of feats would be very different from one that included one-shots and pick-up games.But the claim made did not make any claim about &quot;campaigns&quot; just &quot;characters&quot; and if you just look at their pre-gen pics&nbsp; you see for modules (which would be easy go-to for pick-ups) I think the most likely source for the disconnect is apparent.That why I jumped in when the... ahem... &quot;minor&quot; misstatement was made about it being a statement about **campaigns** not *characters*.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7556247, member: 6919838"] Generally we agree here. The only thing I would say about the Crawford data is to point out that also based on their data most games played rarely make it out of tier 2. Now add-in one shots and pick-up games at FLGS and I can see it very easily true that most characters dont take feats. The key bring it is slanted or skewed by all those brief "adventuring careers" that may span only one or two sessions. I imagine if the datasets were filtered by "characters that were played in campaigns thru 8 or more levels" the frequency of feats would be very different from one that included one-shots and pick-up games. But the claim made did not make any claim about "campaigns" just "characters" and if you just look at their pre-gen pics you see for modules (which would be easy go-to for pick-ups) I think the most likely source for the disconnect is apparent. That why I jumped in when the... ahem... "minor" misstatement was made about it being a statement about **campaigns** not *characters*. [/QUOTE]

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