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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jefe Bergenstein" data-source="post: 3516426" data-attributes="member: 31506">Its hardly derailed. I'm pointing out something I see people wanting low magic worlds overlook.Think about a 5th level wizard in our world. They can do stuff no one else can do. Our world is pretty ill equipped to counter the invisible guy just walking off with stuff every day. Disguise self. Charm Person. Sleep.Now imagine that in a world with even lower tech. Where no one has phones, internet, interpol etc to track or warn about repeat offenders. Even moreso than in a standard campaign, a PC caster in a low magic game IS a superhero. The world isnt prepared to deal with him, since magic often requires magical means to counter.And it DOES hose the fighter/noncasters in comparison. Normally they can gain some utility style magic effects through items (cape of the montebank for example). While the wizard has more, the fighter has at least some. Take those away, and now the wizard has infinitely more, since the fighter has zero. You are playing a normal guy while your pal zooms around shooting fire out of his arse. And thats ignoring the fact that the fighter does need magic weapons, armor and stat boosters to face CR appropriate monsters. He needs gear to reliably hit, and AC to prevent monsters from power attacking him into paste. If you're taking issue with my statement that magic items were never special, I stand by that. No one I know cheered when they got a spear +1 in 1st edition. You just erased the x2 and wrote x3 on the back of your sheet, and it sat in a bag of holding with tons of other junk you never used. Magic items werent rare, and getting an extra 5% to hit and a +1 to damage never made anyone I've gamed with do backflips of joy. I think people are misremembering that magic items are special, because they want it to be so. Sure, Gygax and company TOLD us they were rare, but they were hippocrates by their own rules. Anyone who generated treasure for a mid level adventure (using the treasure tables they wrote), or ran something they wrote, must have noticed the gobs of magic items sitting in owlbear nests and under bedpans.</blockquote>

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