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<blockquote data-quote="Caliburn101" data-source="post: 7177709" data-attributes="member: 6802178"><p>@ Tony - I dissect the argument you made with a rebuttal, which you do likewise in response but characterise it as an ad hominem 'attack'?</p><p></p><p>I do wish people would take robust debate for precisely what it is. The critique of an argument, and the basis of that argument is not a personal attack, and stating that you think you understand your respondents mistake is not condescending.</p><p></p><p>Otherwise every real debate ever conducted, even in a debating society with a rulebook on form is all just an exercise in condescension, by your definition.</p><p></p><p>Ultimately you are saying D&D cannot do what I say it can, and state I have done quite successfully in terms of low magic and healing. You say it's because of the nature of the rules, I say it's a DM imposed limitation to blame that, when the DM can change the terms of engagement with the rules to suit.</p><p></p><p>You began with what you yourself would term condescension - all D&D games not run the way you think they should be run as regards low magic and healing are bad, in essence, is what you stated.</p><p></p><p>You characterised a personal opinion as a truism which cannot be disagreed on with credibility.</p><p></p><p>Personally I chose to treat that as merely a robust rebuttal and responded as strongly.</p><p></p><p>If YOU had wanted to avoid personal attacks - why indulge yourself thusly?</p><p></p><p><em>"But I'll snip all that, and see if there's anything of substance to reply to..."</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em>For the avoidance of any doubt, that last question is rhetorical.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Caliburn101, post: 7177709, member: 6802178"] @ Tony - I dissect the argument you made with a rebuttal, which you do likewise in response but characterise it as an ad hominem 'attack'? I do wish people would take robust debate for precisely what it is. The critique of an argument, and the basis of that argument is not a personal attack, and stating that you think you understand your respondents mistake is not condescending. Otherwise every real debate ever conducted, even in a debating society with a rulebook on form is all just an exercise in condescension, by your definition. Ultimately you are saying D&D cannot do what I say it can, and state I have done quite successfully in terms of low magic and healing. You say it's because of the nature of the rules, I say it's a DM imposed limitation to blame that, when the DM can change the terms of engagement with the rules to suit. You began with what you yourself would term condescension - all D&D games not run the way you think they should be run as regards low magic and healing are bad, in essence, is what you stated. You characterised a personal opinion as a truism which cannot be disagreed on with credibility. Personally I chose to treat that as merely a robust rebuttal and responded as strongly. If YOU had wanted to avoid personal attacks - why indulge yourself thusly? [I]"But I'll snip all that, and see if there's anything of substance to reply to..." [/I]For the avoidance of any doubt, that last question is rhetorical. [/QUOTE]
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