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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3505877" data-attributes="member: 4937">I don't think he was implying that the DMG is off limits to them, although in earlier editions of the game it expressly was.I think he was implying that if it is in the DMG, it is the province of the DM, and as such, during play, if a player tried to impose the DMG on the DM he would be guilty of the same breach of good faith that a DM would be guilty of if he tried to play the player's character (telling the player what his character would or would not do).  The player has no business telling the DM during play how much experience or treasure he should recieve, or how the campaign world should be structured and populated, or anything else of that nature.</blockquote>