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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 3508778" data-attributes="member: 30001">Ok, sorry.  I'll try to stick to the subject.I think we have a problem with definitions here.  To me, a monopoly is a circumstancial modifier to a market price.  A custom that says that only nobles wear scarlet is a circumstantial modifier (and very well might make the trade a black market or non-existent).  But those are exceptional situations, and without a defined social context - simply saying that "you can't buy a +1 sword, but you can buy a normal sword" makes no sense.  That, IMO is just DM fiat.So I don't know what we mean by "markets".  I've been talking about the idea of a BASELINE - so telling me that you can get more money for a horse from a rich merchant in the desert is, IMO, beside the point.  The exceptional situations are not the rule - and I don't really think they are in the medieval period of Europe - though I think those exceptions exist.  If you're going to design a game why not assume a baseline price for everything, then people can come in and apply whatever modifiers they want.  But often times, I find that the reasoning behind why a wizard won't do anything for any amount of money to be superficial and unconvincing - it usually, IMO, is inconsistent with the context in which the wizard operates.So fine, consistent strength scores are also idealized and completely unrealistic, but where are you going to start?  Throw out the idea of any baseline?  Maybe not - but those things are specific to time and place, and would be campaign issues.  Simply not listing a price with magic items is taking an exception and making it the rule.That's not the case in the Roman era, where goods were available out of season - where greenhouses were developed for Emporers for just such reasons.  Granted though, these are all exceptions.  If you want to sell wheat for a different price than in the summer then fine - but imagine the game system that does this - again, I think a baseline is a simple solution.You listed "instant gratification" as a feature unique to the 21st century, which along with the other things you listed, I thought was an oversimplification.  Again, we're talking about adventurers who often have 10's of thousands of GP to spend - I don't think the life of a peasant is going to be all that helpful.  I ask you to keep this in mind on the subject of whether or not I'm "whittling down" the definition - because I think it's relevant to the circumstances of the game.Everyone has slept in the presence of someone with BO and I don't think fatigue modifiers apply.  That, IMO, is an example of the DM overreaction in order to make a point.</blockquote>

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