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<blockquote data-quote="kamosa" data-source="post: 1537311" data-attributes="member: 1037">Funny I don't see Conan as an example of a D&amp;D fighter with Cleave and Power Attack.&nbsp; I can't ever remember Conan reasoning through the AC of the opponent and deciding to take a +4 on his damage so he could kill the low level mooks much quicker.&nbsp; Nor do I ever remember Conan, tactically taking a 5ft step so he would be in range for a cleave attempt.&nbsp; &nbsp; There are lots of examples of tough fighters in fiction.&nbsp; I just have never seen a D&amp;D fighter in fiction.&nbsp; I could also pull out a dozen or so examples of high level wizards and high mana worlds that do approximate magic in D&amp;D, if you view it through the right lense.But that is all besides the point.&nbsp; The point is that saying magic in D&amp;D is screwed up because it doesn't match the fiction, is a silly arguement.&nbsp; There are tons of things that do not match the fiction.&nbsp; I don't find the monsters particularly drawn from fiction, or from their mythlogical roots.&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't find the number of skill points each character gets to be like what I imagine the heroic characters from books having.&nbsp; Heck, I don't even find characters that raise in level to be particularly mapped to fiction.&nbsp; There are tons of examples of game mechanics that are not like fiction.&nbsp; Using this as an arguement to pick on magic is just a screen for an underlying bias against magic.&nbsp;&nbsp; That's fine, and to each his own fun, but don't pretend that it is drawn from some high minded place.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kamosa, post: 1537311, member: 1037"] Funny I don't see Conan as an example of a D&D fighter with Cleave and Power Attack. I can't ever remember Conan reasoning through the AC of the opponent and deciding to take a +4 on his damage so he could kill the low level mooks much quicker. Nor do I ever remember Conan, tactically taking a 5ft step so he would be in range for a cleave attempt. There are lots of examples of tough fighters in fiction. I just have never seen a D&D fighter in fiction. I could also pull out a dozen or so examples of high level wizards and high mana worlds that do approximate magic in D&D, if you view it through the right lense. But that is all besides the point. The point is that saying magic in D&D is screwed up because it doesn't match the fiction, is a silly arguement. There are tons of things that do not match the fiction. I don't find the monsters particularly drawn from fiction, or from their mythlogical roots. I don't find the number of skill points each character gets to be like what I imagine the heroic characters from books having. Heck, I don't even find characters that raise in level to be particularly mapped to fiction. There are tons of examples of game mechanics that are not like fiction. Using this as an arguement to pick on magic is just a screen for an underlying bias against magic. That's fine, and to each his own fun, but don't pretend that it is drawn from some high minded place. [/QUOTE]

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