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Message: <blockquote data-quote="surfarcher" data-source="post: 5307425" data-attributes="member: 84774">I'm guessing your DM is using monsters higher than your level.  That won't make the fight more dangerous, just more grindy.That or you have made up a batch of really suboptimal characters <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />In general I think there's lots of possible sources of grind.  I loosely categorise them as player related or DM related...Player related all amounts to taking too much time on your turn or making plain bad choices in combat... * Not realising it's your turn * Taking more than say 60 seconds on your turn * Using your MBA * Not undderstanding how and when to best use each powerDM related seems to be to be combat design and how the DM handles the actual encounter.  I remember when I first read <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/254630-stalker0s-guide-anti-grind.html" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/254630-stalker0s-guide-anti-grind.html</a> I marvelled at how he had so eloquently captured my own messy thoughts and more than doubled them!  It's a must read for grindy sufferers.  Highlights... * Monsters higher than level+0 tend to be grindy. * Many solos are very grindy, you need to be careful which solos you use, how and when * Soldiers tend to be grindy * Artillery and Leader monsters are what really spice things up <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /> * There's plenty more in there! My brand new, shiney 4e group (2x utter RPG noobs, 1x player for less than a year and 2x experienced RPG but fairly new to 4e guys) polished my encounters off in about 45 minutes.  There was plenty of tension too, like when I accidentally knocked the cleric to -5hp with ongoing 5 fire damage.Well a bit of a brain-dump but hopefully you, your party and your DM get something useful out of it!</blockquote>

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