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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Systole" data-source="post: 5820975" data-attributes="member: 93930">Cythera and Ben find the dame is in the company of a portly merchant in a red suit.  "Cythera, Benevolent, it's good to see you again! I do try to make each evening interesting, you know.  You've been enjoying it so far,  I trust? I should mention, Signor Franco and I were just discussing you. I hope you don't mind." "A pleasure to meet you, madam ... and sir," he says with as much of a bow as his girth allows. "Emi did tell me you're interested in building a mission to ... Serrond, was it? You know, I fancy myself a patron of religion. Perhaps we might discuss an endowment some evening?" "A ... really? I'd be honored, Signor Franco," Ben says, obviously surprised by the man's generosity.  [sblock=OOC]K:Local 18 and Sense Motive 12 and for this one. If you make the K:Local, consider the Sense Motive an automatic success as well. [sblock=Info for successful rolls]K:Local tells you that Franco is known to ... enjoy the company of young men. Sense Motive tells you that his intentions toward Ben are less than gentlemanly, which is obvious if you were expecting it. Ben appears to have failed this particular Sense Motive check.[/sblock]   Though noticing something would appear to be Perception, Sensing Motives is to determine truthfulness and counter Bluff. Sense Motive is also used for detecting secret messages (admittedly, RAW talks about messages you weren't supposed to notice). The noble in question was trying to get Cythera's attention without alerting the rest of the crowd, so Sense Motive seemed slightly more appropriate than Perception. However, in general, if it's a toss-up between Perception and any other skill, I will choose whatever is not Perception. Perception gets used too much.   K: Local can be used to determine special abilities of humanoids, probably based on that initial roll. Meta-game wise, the CR was what I was trying to get a sense of and probably would have gotten it based on her reputation. I think Perception is right on target for what I was role-playing to figure out; an overall assessment of Cicci's abilities in comparison to Cythera. Though I probably did not explain it and I am thinking in terms of RL and then looking at the dice roll to go along with it. The personal examples you described relied less on Perception than Knowledge. The difficulty is not in observing the clues, but in knowing which clues to observe. Otherwise, "ability to identify good volleyball players" would track to "good eyesight" rather than "familiarity with volleyball." However, that does convince me that K:Local would have given you a CR.   However, given what you told me about her CR, role-playing on both sides was right on target. Cicci has got a chip on her shoulder and is a chump with something to prove. Cythera is good and knows it, she doesn't need to prove it to anyone. Keep in mind that CRs were designed for a party of 4. Cythera is essentially flying solo, so her effective AP is running 1-2 levels lower than her actual level of 6. If Cythera is going to whip out the greatsword, Cicci would drop fairly easily (barring some good but not unreasonable rolls on Cicci's part). In a 1v1 dueling situation, Cicci would not be a pushover.[/sblock]  <img src="http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/pnthffr/Forenicci_150.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> <img src="http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/pnthffr/Ben_150.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> <img src="http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/pnthffr/franco_150.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> .. Emiliana Forenicci ..... Benevolent Seeker ..... Signor Franco ........ .</blockquote>

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