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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6068542" data-attributes="member: 87792">Arrogant = doesn't bother to set defences or wards against things that are unlikely to be threats.Large, heavy, big footprint, belches something very noticeable = Obvious and doesn't have superb senses.The combination of the two = one of the easiest beasts in the monster manual to sneak up on.  They have almost all the disadvantages of ogres combined with their arrogance.  The only reason dragons should be harder to sneak up on is that if you throw a rock to distract an ogre the ogre should look in the direction the rock went.  The dragon should look in the direction the rock came from.  Other than that they breathe noisily, meaning they effectively have bad hearing.  They are large and extremely noticeable meaning you can see them before they see you, so you know where to hide.  They belch something caustic or dangerous meaning they have a bad sense of smell.  They are arrogant meaning they don't directly set traps.  Being easy to sneak up on is entirely in line with what a dragon is, and is one of their few weaknesses.If some burglar with a leather strap and a jock hits a dragon they do about d6+2 damage.  The dragon has over a hundred hit points.  Who the hell cares?But a level 14 rogue isn't "Some burglar with a leather strap and a rock".  He's very possibly the best sneak-thief to have ever lived.  Level 10 is Master Thief in AD&D.  The level 14 thief should be a better burglar than someone who can Planeshift, Greater Teleport, and Turn Invisible (all those being in the reach of a level 14 wizard). Calling a level 14 rogue "Some guy with a leather strap and a rock" isn't like calling Usain Bolt "Some guy who can run a little."  It's like calling someone who can outrun Usain Bolt to the same degree Usain Bolt can outrun an average man over 100m "Some guy who can run a little".Good job we're talking about a bloody big firebreathing lizard and not a ghost then.  Dragons don't have "impenetrable defences".  They don't need them.  They are just strong, tough, smart, and mean.Agreed.  That the rogue on its own could win against the dragon is a little worrying.</blockquote>

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