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lycanthrope monk - flurry with natural attacks?
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<blockquote data-quote="Sejs" data-source="post: 1527967" data-attributes="member: 4910"><p>Rowport:</p><p> Actually, looking in the MM I don't see that wererats have a claw attack. In any case, a creature taking the full attack action can use all of its natural weapons that are not otherwise occupied as secondary attacks (-5 to hit, or -2 if the creature has the Multiattack feat, 1/2 strength bonus to damage). So a lizard man that normally has two claws (normally designated primary) and a bite (always secondary; the faq expands more on this) has a longsword and a shield. If he's using his sword and shield, both his hands are occupied; he can't make any claw attacks. He can use his bite as a secondary natural attack (-5 to hit, 1/2 str mod). If instead he ditches the shield and is just holding a longsword in one hand, he can use the longsword as his primary attack, and make both one claw and a bite as secondary natural attacks. Or, and this is closer to the heart of our discussion, if the lizard man is a monk he can make his normal monk attacks, and then take two claws (as both hands are unoccupied) and a bite all as secondary natural attacks.</p><p></p><p>Hence the wisecrack I made earlier in the thread about an awakened octopus monk. A giant octopus taking a full attack gets 8 tentacle attacks and a bite. An awakened giant octopus monk taking a full attack would get its full alotment of monk attacks, and then 8 tentacles and a bite as secondary attacks. Which is just crazy, heh.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Anyway, in case I'm rambling, to clairify: you can use any and all unoccupied natural weapons as secondary natural attacks when taking the full attack action. Doing so designates any natural weapons that are normally primary as secondary. Natural that are normally secondary remain secondary.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Camarath has pointed out that I may well be mistaken in if such a character could use their natural weapons as secondary attacks while making a flurry of blows, however. In which case a character with natural weapons could attack with their natural weapons as secondary attack when making the full attack action, but they could <em>not</em> use their natural weapons as secondary attacks at all when making a flurry of blows.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sejs, post: 1527967, member: 4910"] Rowport: Actually, looking in the MM I don't see that wererats have a claw attack. In any case, a creature taking the full attack action can use all of its natural weapons that are not otherwise occupied as secondary attacks (-5 to hit, or -2 if the creature has the Multiattack feat, 1/2 strength bonus to damage). So a lizard man that normally has two claws (normally designated primary) and a bite (always secondary; the faq expands more on this) has a longsword and a shield. If he's using his sword and shield, both his hands are occupied; he can't make any claw attacks. He can use his bite as a secondary natural attack (-5 to hit, 1/2 str mod). If instead he ditches the shield and is just holding a longsword in one hand, he can use the longsword as his primary attack, and make both one claw and a bite as secondary natural attacks. Or, and this is closer to the heart of our discussion, if the lizard man is a monk he can make his normal monk attacks, and then take two claws (as both hands are unoccupied) and a bite all as secondary natural attacks. Hence the wisecrack I made earlier in the thread about an awakened octopus monk. A giant octopus taking a full attack gets 8 tentacle attacks and a bite. An awakened giant octopus monk taking a full attack would get its full alotment of monk attacks, and then 8 tentacles and a bite as secondary attacks. Which is just crazy, heh. Anyway, in case I'm rambling, to clairify: you can use any and all unoccupied natural weapons as secondary natural attacks when taking the full attack action. Doing so designates any natural weapons that are normally primary as secondary. Natural that are normally secondary remain secondary. Camarath has pointed out that I may well be mistaken in if such a character could use their natural weapons as secondary attacks while making a flurry of blows, however. In which case a character with natural weapons could attack with their natural weapons as secondary attack when making the full attack action, but they could [i]not[/i] use their natural weapons as secondary attacks at all when making a flurry of blows. [/QUOTE]
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