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<blockquote data-quote="BSF" data-source="post: 2092916" data-attributes="member: 13098">You have a few options.&nbsp; <ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Use the Stronghold Builders Guide which includes how a Lyre of Building reduces your costs.&nbsp; If your campaign uses the rules from the Stronghold Builders guide, then you need to keep it all in line with each other.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Use the rules from a Magical Medeival Society: Western Europe by Expeditious Retreat Press.&nbsp; It's available as PDF or paper.&nbsp; It includes alternate rules for building stuff and includes guidance on the Lyre of Building.&nbsp; </li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wing it.&nbsp; </li>
</ul>I generally consider the Lyre of Building to be broken because there are no rules for fatigue while playing.&nbsp; My high level Bard could play until he became fatigued from lack of sleep.&nbsp; Once your perform is high enough, it's easy.&nbsp; Instead I created some general fatigue rules -2 to perform each hour after the first.&nbsp; These are house rules.&nbsp; These could be improved by considering the Con of the musician and whether the musician has Endurance as a feat.&nbsp; BTW - How do you get 14,400 man hours.&nbsp; 100 men x 3 days = 300 x [hours worked per day]&nbsp; 8-10 hours would be reasonable but tops out at 3000 man hours.&nbsp; Even working them 20 hours a day would still only get you 6000 man hours of work for each 1/2 hour played.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BSF, post: 2092916, member: 13098"] You have a few options. [list] [*]Use the Stronghold Builders Guide which includes how a Lyre of Building reduces your costs. If your campaign uses the rules from the Stronghold Builders guide, then you need to keep it all in line with each other. [*]Use the rules from a Magical Medeival Society: Western Europe by Expeditious Retreat Press. It's available as PDF or paper. It includes alternate rules for building stuff and includes guidance on the Lyre of Building. [*]Wing it. [/list] I generally consider the Lyre of Building to be broken because there are no rules for fatigue while playing. My high level Bard could play until he became [i]fatigued[/i] from lack of sleep. Once your perform is high enough, it's easy. Instead I created some general fatigue rules -2 to perform each hour after the first. These are house rules. These could be improved by considering the Con of the musician and whether the musician has Endurance as a feat. BTW - How do you get 14,400 man hours. 100 men x 3 days = 300 x [hours worked per day] 8-10 hours would be reasonable but tops out at 3000 man hours. Even working them 20 hours a day would still only get you 6000 man hours of work for each 1/2 hour played. [/QUOTE]

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