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<blockquote data-quote="orion90000" data-source="post: 5384143" data-attributes="member: 48030"><p>From the Main 3.5 FAQS: </p><p></p><p>Does an ethereal object block force spells cast against</p><p>targets on the Material Plane? If force spells affect</p><p>incorporeal creatures, and stuff on the Ethereal Plane is</p><p>incorporeal on the Material Plane, doesn’t an ethereal wall</p><p>get in the way? If so, does it get in the way of force effects</p><p>such as mage armor, thus stopping a PC protected by such</p><p>an effect from moving through?</p><p>An ethereal wall would block force effects cast on the</p><p>Material Plane. In essence, a creature affected by mage armor</p><p>is “wearing” a suit of armor made of force—a suit of armor that</p><p>can’t pass through ethereal objects. His weapons, spells, and so</p><p>on still can’t affect ethereal objects any more than they</p><p>normally could.</p><p>Can an ethereal creature or a ghost that isn’t</p><p>manifesting (and thus has a Strength score) grapple</p><p>someone wearing bracers of armor or who has the mage</p><p>armor spell cast on them? What about an incorporeal</p><p>creature, such as a spectre? What if it’s the other way</p><p>around? Can a person that has a mage armor effect on him</p><p>bull rush an ethereal ghost or an incorporeal spectre?</p><p>Mage armor and bracers of armor aren’t powerful enough</p><p>to allow a material creature to interact normally with either</p><p>incorporeal or ethereal opponents (or vice-versa). While the</p><p>armor bonus from the mage armor spell or bracers of armor</p><p>applies against incorporeal touch attacks, it doesn’t turn the</p><p>affected creature into a force effect himself. A monk wearing</p><p>bracers of armor can’t affect incorporeal or ethereal creatures</p><p>with her unarmed strikes any more easily than she normally</p><p>could, and neither could a fighter “wearing” mage armor bull</p><p>rush an incorporeal or ethereal foe.</p><p></p><p>So, yes I am right and I am wrong. Mage armor is a "suit" of armor not an egg. But isn't sufficient to interact with incorporeal. </p><p></p><p>I personally feel that the authors should have defined "force effects" better since there are apparently different types of force. I do appreciate all the input from the community and I hope that no one is pissed from the debate.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="orion90000, post: 5384143, member: 48030"] From the Main 3.5 FAQS: Does an ethereal object block force spells cast against targets on the Material Plane? If force spells affect incorporeal creatures, and stuff on the Ethereal Plane is incorporeal on the Material Plane, doesn’t an ethereal wall get in the way? If so, does it get in the way of force effects such as mage armor, thus stopping a PC protected by such an effect from moving through? An ethereal wall would block force effects cast on the Material Plane. In essence, a creature affected by mage armor is “wearing” a suit of armor made of force—a suit of armor that can’t pass through ethereal objects. His weapons, spells, and so on still can’t affect ethereal objects any more than they normally could. Can an ethereal creature or a ghost that isn’t manifesting (and thus has a Strength score) grapple someone wearing bracers of armor or who has the mage armor spell cast on them? What about an incorporeal creature, such as a spectre? What if it’s the other way around? Can a person that has a mage armor effect on him bull rush an ethereal ghost or an incorporeal spectre? Mage armor and bracers of armor aren’t powerful enough to allow a material creature to interact normally with either incorporeal or ethereal opponents (or vice-versa). While the armor bonus from the mage armor spell or bracers of armor applies against incorporeal touch attacks, it doesn’t turn the affected creature into a force effect himself. A monk wearing bracers of armor can’t affect incorporeal or ethereal creatures with her unarmed strikes any more easily than she normally could, and neither could a fighter “wearing” mage armor bull rush an incorporeal or ethereal foe. So, yes I am right and I am wrong. Mage armor is a "suit" of armor not an egg. But isn't sufficient to interact with incorporeal. I personally feel that the authors should have defined "force effects" better since there are apparently different types of force. I do appreciate all the input from the community and I hope that no one is pissed from the debate. [/QUOTE]
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