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Mage hand in 4e: what's the deal?
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<blockquote data-quote="occam" data-source="post: 4148122" data-attributes="member: 39815"><p>How do the actions work on this spell? To repeat the pertinent data:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Takes a minor action to cast.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"The hand picks up, moves, or manipulates an adjacent object weighing 20 pounds or less and carries it up to 5 squares."</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"As a move action, you can move the hand 5 squares."</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"...as a minor action, you can cause the hand to pick up or manipulate a different object."</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Takes a minor action to sustain.</li> </ul><p></p><p>Questions:</p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Can the hand pick up and move an object up to 5 squares as part of the original minor action to cast, or does moving it require a separate move action?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Is the minor action used to pick up an object part of the minor action to cast or sustain, or does it require a separate minor action? If so, what's the point of making pick-up a minor action, when a minor action is always required to cast or sustain the spell (unless there are unseen rules that allow wizards to ignore some minor-action requirements with feats or class abilities)?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">How many and what kind of actions are required to sustain a <em>mage hand</em>, use it to pick something up, and move it up to 5 squares? One minor to sustain, another minor to pick up, and a move action to move it? If so, that's the caster's whole turn (barring action points).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">How many and what kind of actions are required to sustain a <em>mage hand</em> and move it up to 5 squares? Minor to sustain, and a move action to move it? If so, the caster has one standard action left; if he or she wants to walk along with the <em>mage hand</em>, that's all of the caster's actions.</li> </ol><p></p><p>In retrospect, I guess it's fine if it requires a caster's full attention to do a lot of things with <em>mage hand</em>. I had an image of a wizard moving around the battlefield, fighting enemies with a <em>mage hand</em>-carried sunrod in tow, but maybe that's not really what it's for.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="occam, post: 4148122, member: 39815"] How do the actions work on this spell? To repeat the pertinent data: [list] [*]Takes a minor action to cast. [*]"The hand picks up, moves, or manipulates an adjacent object weighing 20 pounds or less and carries it up to 5 squares." [*]"As a move action, you can move the hand 5 squares." [*]"...as a minor action, you can cause the hand to pick up or manipulate a different object." [*]Takes a minor action to sustain. [/list] Questions: [list=1] [*]Can the hand pick up and move an object up to 5 squares as part of the original minor action to cast, or does moving it require a separate move action? [*]Is the minor action used to pick up an object part of the minor action to cast or sustain, or does it require a separate minor action? If so, what's the point of making pick-up a minor action, when a minor action is always required to cast or sustain the spell (unless there are unseen rules that allow wizards to ignore some minor-action requirements with feats or class abilities)? [*]How many and what kind of actions are required to sustain a [i]mage hand[/i], use it to pick something up, and move it up to 5 squares? One minor to sustain, another minor to pick up, and a move action to move it? If so, that's the caster's whole turn (barring action points). [*]How many and what kind of actions are required to sustain a [i]mage hand[/i] and move it up to 5 squares? Minor to sustain, and a move action to move it? If so, the caster has one standard action left; if he or she wants to walk along with the [i]mage hand[/i], that's all of the caster's actions. [/list] In retrospect, I guess it's fine if it requires a caster's full attention to do a lot of things with [i]mage hand[/i]. I had an image of a wizard moving around the battlefield, fighting enemies with a [i]mage hand[/i]-carried sunrod in tow, but maybe that's not really what it's for. [/QUOTE]
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