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<blockquote data-quote="SSquirrel" data-source="post: 4339961" data-attributes="member: 5202">Yes and I do dig that system.&nbsp; I also have the EN Publishing Elements of Magic stuff, picked them all up on one of the cheaper buying days <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I really didn't care the Horizon Realms blew up, that was just metaplot I didn't bother with.&nbsp; I understand that not as many people bought Mage as they would have liked.&nbsp; I never understood that b/c it was a great game and I did buy lots of books for it.&nbsp; I'm just completing my collection b/c the used book stores here in Louisville have had most of it.&nbsp; Completing my wife's Changeling:the Dreaming collection tho...yeesh.&nbsp; Still have my 2nd ed tarot deck and dice too.&nbsp; I do know that a lot of people just couldn't wrap their heads around the freeform magic.&nbsp; Some of my friends read it and then told me the book make them feel stupid b/c they just couldn't puzzle it out, thus they didn't want to play.&nbsp; I didn't get to play any Mage from about '98 on b/c the group I had played with in Ohio ended and after moving to Iowa in '97 one of my friends ran some WoD stuff, but then he moved away and none of my other friends had any real interest in those games.I'm glad people are playing the game, but it was completely uninspiring to read for me.&nbsp; &quot;Oh look Atlantis....ladders...riiiight.&quot;&nbsp; The new Mage groups felt flavorless compared to the OWoD Mage, rotes went from being largely ignored by WW to having a bigger spell listing than any edition of D&amp;D.&nbsp; Yet somehow they claimed it wasn't copying D&amp;D heh.&nbsp; Before the baseline assumption was that you were using the freeform magic system and you might know some rotes.&nbsp; Now it's that you know a very few rotes and you can try using the freeform sytem but it's much harder and good luck.&nbsp; The freeform magic system was what made Mage standout from everything else and the new setting and system just don't draw me in.When the new Vampire was released I bought the WoD book and the Vamp book....had a similar reaction.&nbsp; It was alright, but a lot of things were changed just for the sake of change.&nbsp; Keep a clan name, but make it a complete opposite of what it used to be.&nbsp; Change names for a mechanical function that still works the same way.&nbsp; What was the point of that?&nbsp; Did someone from the old system have copyrights on some of those phrases or something?&nbsp; Mage came out and I ran right out to buy it and was sorely disappointed.&nbsp; I never cared for Werewolf, but I picked that up used just to have.&nbsp; Changeling I have bought everything that has been released b/c my wife was always a huge Changeling fan and this version is fantastic.&nbsp; I love White Wolf's stuff...I have at least a shelf and a half of their material in my bedroom.&nbsp; The new system just left me behind and that's fine, just means I can save my money for other companies.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SSquirrel, post: 4339961, member: 5202"] Yes and I do dig that system. I also have the EN Publishing Elements of Magic stuff, picked them all up on one of the cheaper buying days ;) I really didn't care the Horizon Realms blew up, that was just metaplot I didn't bother with. I understand that not as many people bought Mage as they would have liked. I never understood that b/c it was a great game and I did buy lots of books for it. I'm just completing my collection b/c the used book stores here in Louisville have had most of it. Completing my wife's Changeling:the Dreaming collection tho...yeesh. Still have my 2nd ed tarot deck and dice too. I do know that a lot of people just couldn't wrap their heads around the freeform magic. Some of my friends read it and then told me the book make them feel stupid b/c they just couldn't puzzle it out, thus they didn't want to play. I didn't get to play any Mage from about '98 on b/c the group I had played with in Ohio ended and after moving to Iowa in '97 one of my friends ran some WoD stuff, but then he moved away and none of my other friends had any real interest in those games. I'm glad people are playing the game, but it was completely uninspiring to read for me. "Oh look Atlantis....ladders...riiiight." The new Mage groups felt flavorless compared to the OWoD Mage, rotes went from being largely ignored by WW to having a bigger spell listing than any edition of D&D. Yet somehow they claimed it wasn't copying D&D heh. Before the baseline assumption was that you were using the freeform magic system and you might know some rotes. Now it's that you know a very few rotes and you can try using the freeform sytem but it's much harder and good luck. The freeform magic system was what made Mage standout from everything else and the new setting and system just don't draw me in. When the new Vampire was released I bought the WoD book and the Vamp book....had a similar reaction. It was alright, but a lot of things were changed just for the sake of change. Keep a clan name, but make it a complete opposite of what it used to be. Change names for a mechanical function that still works the same way. What was the point of that? Did someone from the old system have copyrights on some of those phrases or something? Mage came out and I ran right out to buy it and was sorely disappointed. I never cared for Werewolf, but I picked that up used just to have. Changeling I have bought everything that has been released b/c my wife was always a huge Changeling fan and this version is fantastic. I love White Wolf's stuff...I have at least a shelf and a half of their material in my bedroom. The new system just left me behind and that's fine, just means I can save my money for other companies. [/QUOTE]

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