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<blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 2499388" data-attributes="member: 141"><p>Hi Scion!</p><p></p><p>I like the mechanic that lets you get the AoO instead of making the caster's concentration check an autofail.</p><p></p><p>That said, why the -2 penalty to caster level?</p><p></p><p>If you are a caster yourself, you should be better able to anticipate how other casters move to avoid AoOs. That's reflected in the fact that spellcraft is a class skill. But why should this training interfere with your own spellcasting?</p><p></p><p>If there is a kind of "hatred of magic" kind of theme going on (someone wanting to get a forsaker flavor to his barbarian) then I could see the penalty to CL, but I don't think the spellcraft check fits. Joe the mage-hating barbarian shouldn't have to invest that many skill points into Spellcraft.</p><p></p><p>I think the main effect of the caster level penalty in the original feat was to make it attractive to non-spellcasters. But if you make it a spellcraft check (a cross-class skill for non-spellcasters) then it is suddenly a lot less useful. Spellcasters still won't take it, I don't think, since it means they kinda have to take Practiced Spellcaster. I'm not sure that taking the AoO is worth the investment of two feats.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cheiromancer, post: 2499388, member: 141"] Hi Scion! I like the mechanic that lets you get the AoO instead of making the caster's concentration check an autofail. That said, why the -2 penalty to caster level? If you are a caster yourself, you should be better able to anticipate how other casters move to avoid AoOs. That's reflected in the fact that spellcraft is a class skill. But why should this training interfere with your own spellcasting? If there is a kind of "hatred of magic" kind of theme going on (someone wanting to get a forsaker flavor to his barbarian) then I could see the penalty to CL, but I don't think the spellcraft check fits. Joe the mage-hating barbarian shouldn't have to invest that many skill points into Spellcraft. I think the main effect of the caster level penalty in the original feat was to make it attractive to non-spellcasters. But if you make it a spellcraft check (a cross-class skill for non-spellcasters) then it is suddenly a lot less useful. Spellcasters still won't take it, I don't think, since it means they kinda have to take Practiced Spellcaster. I'm not sure that taking the AoO is worth the investment of two feats. [/QUOTE]
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