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<blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6173721" data-attributes="member: 6689464">1. Initial armor proficiencyNo, first mistake here. Wizards and psions don't get it , but the archetypal warlock uses leather armor. 2. Initial weapon proficiencyWizards get too little proficiencies in comparison witht the rest (heck artificers even get to use bows). Dragging them down to wizard power level isn't good 3. Hit Die Used4. Starting hit points3.x warlock was better than wizards in the health department, in 4e warlocks and sorcerers hade better hit points than wizards. Again they get the short end of the straw, being brought down to wizard level5. The level you get a new attack bonusThis part is up to debate, at this rate all classes will share the same combat bonus, we cannot discuss it propperly6. The levels you get a new ability score boost or featWizards and psions are SAD, warlocks and sorcerers are MAD, so far 5e has done little to change that. 7. The levels you get a new class abilityThis all depends on what class abilities we are talking about. 8. The level when you learn a new spell, spell-like ability, or psionic abilityIn order to keep balance they must be, but the same is true of druids and clerics, and they are their own classes9. The quantity of spells, spell-like abilities, or psionic abilities you can &quot;cast/use&quot; at each levelThis is bogus full vancian, full spontaneous, Prepared spontaneous, spell points and at will are very different in terms of flexibility. Prepared spontaneous is so strong that a class that is only spontaneous will need either an insane amount of spells known or a bigger amount of slots or any other kind of parallel ability in order to keep up.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MoonSong, post: 6173721, member: 6689464"] 1. Initial armor proficiency No, first mistake here. Wizards and psions don't get it , but the archetypal warlock uses leather armor. 2. Initial weapon proficiency Wizards get too little proficiencies in comparison witht the rest (heck artificers even get to use bows). Dragging them down to wizard power level isn't good 3. Hit Die Used 4. Starting hit points 3.x warlock was better than wizards in the health department, in 4e warlocks and sorcerers hade better hit points than wizards. Again they get the short end of the straw, being brought down to wizard level 5. The level you get a new attack bonus This part is up to debate, at this rate all classes will share the same combat bonus, we cannot discuss it propperly 6. The levels you get a new ability score boost or feat Wizards and psions are SAD, warlocks and sorcerers are MAD, so far 5e has done little to change that. 7. The levels you get a new class ability This all depends on what class abilities we are talking about. 8. The level when you learn a new spell, spell-like ability, or psionic ability In order to keep balance they must be, but the same is true of druids and clerics, and they are their own classes 9. The quantity of spells, spell-like abilities, or psionic abilities you can "cast/use" at each level This is bogus full vancian, full spontaneous, Prepared spontaneous, spell points and at will are very different in terms of flexibility. Prepared spontaneous is so strong that a class that is only spontaneous will need either an insane amount of spells known or a bigger amount of slots or any other kind of parallel ability in order to keep up. [/QUOTE]

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