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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6173813" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>It's not so black-and-white for me...</p><p></p><p>Especially, the Warlock still sound to me like a Witch, someone who made a bargain with a powerful supernatural entity who is able to grant spells. That feels quite a lot to me as a divine/arcane hybrid. A Cleric devotes herself to a deity and is granted spells, a wizard does not owe anything to anyone and just learns spells by herself, a warlock is in an intermediate situation... there is still her side of the bargain, but it's maybe not as binding as that of a cleric, so the warlock/witch is more free in his/her moral behaviour. I could totally see the warlock spell list be a mix of cleric and wizard spells, and I could even imagine it to have wildshape, but maybe that's only one type of witch. A Good warlock/white witch might easily have healing powers, while an evil warlock might be limited to self-healing powers. Because of these, the "arcane" label is appropriate as the "divine" label really, it's just a typical case of people picking a label and then not realize they have brought it on themselves.</p><p></p><p>Mechanically speaking, I just don't care. The first warlock I've seen was the 3e version and it was IIRC an at-will caster, while AFAIK the 4e warlock was AEDU like everybody else, and then the 5e draft version was encounter-based. I don't think it necessarily needs to be one or the other, and I believe it will be chosen for meta-design reasons, e.g. "what kind of mechanics haven't we got covered?".</p><p></p><p>I've never been a huge fan of psionics because it always smelled like too modern fantasy for my tastes, but in any case there is at least 2/3 of the wizard's typical spell list that feels inappropriate to me as psionics. I do see some overlaps with sorcerers when intended as "magic in the blood", since the difference with "magic in the mind" can actually be quite feeble. </p><p></p><p>Artificers don't even sound very magical to me.</p><p></p><p>I don't think that WotC has a very clear idea on what to do with these actually. Do they want to enforce their similarity or their individual identities? Do they want to identify each "name" with a mechanic or with a story or both?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 6173813, member: 1465"] It's not so black-and-white for me... Especially, the Warlock still sound to me like a Witch, someone who made a bargain with a powerful supernatural entity who is able to grant spells. That feels quite a lot to me as a divine/arcane hybrid. A Cleric devotes herself to a deity and is granted spells, a wizard does not owe anything to anyone and just learns spells by herself, a warlock is in an intermediate situation... there is still her side of the bargain, but it's maybe not as binding as that of a cleric, so the warlock/witch is more free in his/her moral behaviour. I could totally see the warlock spell list be a mix of cleric and wizard spells, and I could even imagine it to have wildshape, but maybe that's only one type of witch. A Good warlock/white witch might easily have healing powers, while an evil warlock might be limited to self-healing powers. Because of these, the "arcane" label is appropriate as the "divine" label really, it's just a typical case of people picking a label and then not realize they have brought it on themselves. Mechanically speaking, I just don't care. The first warlock I've seen was the 3e version and it was IIRC an at-will caster, while AFAIK the 4e warlock was AEDU like everybody else, and then the 5e draft version was encounter-based. I don't think it necessarily needs to be one or the other, and I believe it will be chosen for meta-design reasons, e.g. "what kind of mechanics haven't we got covered?". I've never been a huge fan of psionics because it always smelled like too modern fantasy for my tastes, but in any case there is at least 2/3 of the wizard's typical spell list that feels inappropriate to me as psionics. I do see some overlaps with sorcerers when intended as "magic in the blood", since the difference with "magic in the mind" can actually be quite feeble. Artificers don't even sound very magical to me. I don't think that WotC has a very clear idea on what to do with these actually. Do they want to enforce their similarity or their individual identities? Do they want to identify each "name" with a mechanic or with a story or both? [/QUOTE]
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