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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6174146" data-attributes="member: 6689464">Yet that is what it currently is, the robed guy in a hat. No matter how much you dress it, you won't get to change that core. No, because not matter how you see it, the wizard is the scholarly-academic spellcaster, just like the Mage and the MU before it. And he IS defined by the use of magic, he never learned any better that is the justification for the wizard not having a true attack bonus and knowing how to wield so little weapons. But in the case of the sorcerer that doesn't apply, he didn't had to learn or study, he should be capable of wielding more weapons, be more skilled than the wizard and know how to fight, and that is justifiable because overall his magic has been weaker, only design prejudices prevent them to be fully fleshed this way, and that in turn will mean that as long as he is constrained into the wizard mold we'll never get a sorcerer who isn't a second stringer to them. And that is what is happening, the sorcerer is being forced into this mold of "scholarly caster" even when the main point of the sorcerer is he isn't one by default.    But the war domain cleric isn't granting a skill dice, or an improved combat capability, things that a sorcerer should have as opposed to a wizard  Even when not melee by default, the warlock isn't a long range attacker by default either.</blockquote>