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Message: <blockquote data-quote="nnms" data-source="post: 5281409" data-attributes="member: 83293">I covered the pooling of money in my example of an entire group saving enough together to buy a single level 6 item with their level 1 monetary treasure.  I'm not sure it's that big of a deal.  In fact, I see it as a feature.As for looting falling comrades, I don't see this as a bad thing at all.  The party is supposed to what?  leave the magic items and his gold down in the dungeon?  In the current system, the found magic items are much, much more valuable than bought treasure.  And unless you have very different characters, a comrade's items are going to be useful to someone.  I always saw a party looting their fallen comrade as a combination of friendly ribbing and a consolation prize for losing a party member.  I've never actually had it be a negative or annoying in any games I've been a part of over the last couple of decades.Different groups obviously are into different things.As for mundane items, I haven't talked about changing the PHB rules that you simply can't sell them.  That solution works whether an item of 5 levels higher is 5 times as expensive, 2 times or 20 times.Yes it is.  But robust doesn't equal "does everything anyone could want it to do."It's never been true of earlier editions because earlier editions had leveling as a power mechanic and 4E also has it as a pacing mechanic.  Every PC bonus is offset by an increase in monster and skill difficulties.  And exponential system with 3x or even 2x still doesn't allow PCs to get their hands on bonus level items way out of the appropriate range.  At 2x, at level 1, if the entire party pools for one item-- and gets it at list cost-- they can have one +2 Level 6 item.  One.The exponential system works with smaller numbers.  at 2x the DM has to pay passing attention to treasure.  At 3x or above, it runs on autopilot.  Absolutely.  Why would you change something that doesn't matter to the participants?  But for those to whom verisimilitude is not irrelevant, the exponential amounts of treasure can be jarring.This thread isn't about criticizing it.  It's about understanding it.  No one is attacking it.  No one needs to defend it.  You must agree that if a DM finds the existing system doesn't do what they want, they should atleast understand the underlying math before making any changes, right?  That's what this thread is about.</blockquote>

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