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Message: <blockquote data-quote="der_kluge" data-source="post: 993592" data-attributes="member: 945">From the SRD:I can work this up using the spell slot item creation system from the Artificer's Handbook, but I can tell you before I even put down the first number that A) a single wizard probably could not create such an item and B) it's going to cost a fortune.  But let's proceed.Essentially, the staff has the following powers, all operating at caster level 20.:detect magic, enlarge, hold portal, light, mage armor, and mage hand all castable freely, an unlimited number of times.dispel magic, fireball, ice storm, invisibility, knock, lightning bolt, passwall, pyrotechnics, wall of fire, and web all consume 1 charge from a common charge pool.  Lightning bolt and fireball have a reduced DC (why, I know not).monster summoning IX, plane shift, telekinesis (400 pounds maximum weight) - caster level 16, whirlwind It also grants spell resistance 23, which you want to exclude.  Then there's a whole bunch of stuff about exploding, and absorption which I'll tackle later.First, the free spells:detect magic (0) (1 min per/lvl) 3 spell trigger use-per +15 1 min per levelenlarge (1) (1 min per/lvl)  3 spell trigger use-per +15 1 min per level, +1 for second effecthold portal (1) (1 min per/lvl) 3 spell trigger use-per +15 1 min per level, +2 for third effectlight (0) (10 mins per/lvl) 3 spell trigger use-per +13 10 mins per level, +3 for fourth effectmage armor (1) (1 hr per/lvl) 3 spell trigger use-per +15 1 min per level, +4 for fifth effectmage hand (0) (concentration) 3 spell trigger use-per, +5 (permanent), +5 for sixth effectThe cost for each effect is spell-trigger based, use-per (unlimited uses), and has a cost based on the spells duration (most of them are +15 for the 1 minute per level spells, but light is 10 mins per level, so has a decreased cost) - it costs less to cast a longer duration spell.  Mage hand is a special cost, since our rules don't cover costs for spells with a duration of "concentration", I ruled that it's essentially permanent, which is the cheapest cost for this type of effect.  The numbers 3, +15, etc., are the number of spell slots required.  A wizard would need to have a total number of spell slots available to cast this many 1st or 0 level spells.  Let's figure up the totals:(1st level) 3+15+1 + 3+15+2 + 3+15+4 = 61(0 level) 3+15 + 3+13+3 + 3+5+5 = 47A wizard (or sorcerer) would need to be able to cast 61 first level spells, and 47 0 level spells in order to create just this part of the item.  A 20th level sorcerer has spells per day of 6/ 6/6/6/ 6/6/6/ 6/6/6 and if he has a 30 Charisma, he's getting bonus spells of 3/3/2/ 2/2/2/ 1/1/1.  Because he can use 2nd, 3rd, etc. spell slots to cast 0 and 1st level spells, let's see if he can actually cast a cantrip 47 times.  6 (0) + 9 (1) + 9 (2) + 8 (3) + 8 (4) +8 (5) = 48.  He could cast 48 0 level spells by exhausting all of his 0, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th level spell slots.  That would give him an item that could freely cast, with unlimited uses, light, mage hand, and detect magic.  Let's exhaust the rest of his spells and see how far he gets.  1 (5th, left over) + 8 (6) + 7 (7) + 7 (8) + 7 (9) = 30 first level spell slots.  That would be enough to give him the Enlarge effect (19 total spell slots (3+15+1), which would leave him with 11 spell slots.  As you can see, a 20th level sorcerer, with a 30 charisma would be unable to make such an item in the tradition sense.  In reality, he would have to make it slowly over time.  Adding magic to it over a long period of time.  This would actually increase the cost, because adding magic to an existing magic item costs more than just making it all at once.  Otherwise, he'd need a ton of help.Let's examine the cost of this portion of the item (assuming that the sorcerer is actually able to create just this portion of the item).(1st level) 3+15+1 + 3+15+2 + 3+15+4 = 61(0 level) 3+15 + 3+13+3 + 3+5+5 = 47The formula is expressed as 10gp (spell level + caster level -1) * (# of spell slots) ^2working through each spell we get (using a caster level of 20):10(1+20-1)*(19)^2 +10(1+20-1)*(20)^2 +10(1+20-1)*(22)^2 +10(0+20-1)*(18)^2 +10(0+20-1)*(19)^2 +10(0+20-1)*(13)^2 = 200*361 + 200*400 + 200*484 + 190*324 + 190*361 + 190*169 = 72,200 + 80,000 + 96,800 + 61,560 + 68,590 + 32,110 = a creation cost of 411,260gp So, a 20th level sorcerer with a 30 charisma would be 31 spell slots shy of being able to create just this portion of the item, and it would cost him 411,260gp.  Even if he had a 44 charisma, he'd still be 15 spell slots short.Now, if you're playing in some kind of uber munchkin game, and you insist on knowing how to create the rest of it, I can go through that, but it's obvious to me that this item is most definitely an artifact, and shouldn't be created through normal means.</blockquote>

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