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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8681010" data-attributes="member: 84112">So my buddy gave our group a headache tonight. She started by asking “if I wanted to make a +4 armor would you let me?  And we all thought that simple. “Nothing above 3 and even then you need to be high level. So then she asked if she made double strength bracers of defense that gave a +4 instead of a +2.  This had a bit of discussion but we all agreed no in the end. We asked where she was going with this and she said she was almost done. What about a ring of prof that was equal to 1/2 the wearers prof (+1 at first but in theory up to a +3).  Then she said. “What if I wanted to make a wand of mage armor?”  We all agreed even though there was no wand of that in the DMG it would work. Last twist “what if I wanted a set of dresses that each could cast mage armor 3/day?” Now what she really wants is +4 cloth. With the drawback that every 8 hours she needs to burn an action.  She is currently a 7th level bard 3ed level fighter. 2nd level paladin. We are having more and more social interactions so she is out of armor a lot (in the field she has both a +1 plate and +1 shield and the shield spell to add to it and the armor has unique to the campaign properties.). In battle ready gear she has 24-29 AC… but Goni to kings ball and it drops to 13-18. One thing that was suggested 2 weeks ago was she should learn mage armor. (Our warlock can cast it at will). So what she pointed out is “I want a +4 to my AC comes off reall different depending on how you phrase it.  “Double strength bracers of armor” would be better then mage armor cause it would stack. Same with “ring of prof that goes up” and the ring would also add to saves. (Including death saves that we have some homebrew reason to use more often then usual). But really “Dress out for +4” isn’t really diffrent from “Dress that casts mage armor 3/day.” And the only difference between that and “wand of mage armor” is that you could share that item. Realistically we all agreed that giving her (well letting her craft)  7 +4 dresses would make it feel weird she could not up grade her plate to +4. But if she made a wand it would feel fine. The DM then pitched to her a set of earrings that had a permeant mage armor cast on them for who ever wears them. But then she made us all do a double take with “Do you need the piercing in your ears or will any body piercing do?” And spiraled out into more conversation about where you have items on. In 5e (unlike 2e and 3e) you don’t really have body slots. Nothing would stop a high level artificer with 5 attunement  slots from having 5 magic rings attuned.  The last wrench I threw before we finally started game (over 2 hours late) was do rings of port stack?  Could that artificer have +5 AC and saves with 5 rings of protection?  Now this long wrangling TLDR was about how 2 items could have the same story and at the table effect BUT one seem over powered and the other normal.</blockquote>

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