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<blockquote data-quote="DarkLord Of DForce" data-source="post: 5116693" data-attributes="member: 85416">Just to give -one- example, in one encounter at level 9 for our party, we fought these Guardians that couldn't be pushed, pulled, slid, teleported or knocked prone. Their At-will power also dazed. They had +20 to hit, and 3 of our party had to roll +16 to hit, with 5 having to crit to hit them. (btw, this was not an end of campaign or segment encounter and they were not considered &quot;bosses&quot; or &quot;elites&quot; by our DMs).Still think our group doesn't need all the +magic items we can get? (or are you just going to say we need new DMs)... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />PS To be fair to our DMs, since that encounter and the inevitable comments that came from it, they have balanced the encounters better.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DarkLord Of DForce, post: 5116693, member: 85416"] Just to give -one- example, in one encounter at level 9 for our party, we fought these Guardians that couldn't be pushed, pulled, slid, teleported or knocked prone. Their At-will power also dazed. They had +20 to hit, and 3 of our party had to roll +16 to hit, with 5 having to crit to hit them. (btw, this was not an end of campaign or segment encounter and they were not considered "bosses" or "elites" by our DMs). Still think our group doesn't need all the +magic items we can get? (or are you just going to say we need new DMs)... :D PS To be fair to our DMs, since that encounter and the inevitable comments that came from it, they have balanced the encounters better. [/QUOTE]

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