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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 1786143" data-attributes="member: 23094">Actually, he's got a point, Nail.If they're slotless, as you surmise, then there's no real difference in having a set of &quot;Magical Lockpicks (+5 Competence Bonus when Picking Locks)&quot; and a &quot;Magical Trap Kit (+5 Competence Bonus when Disarming Device)&quot;, as compared to a set of &quot;Magical Thieves' Tools (+5 Competence to PL and DD).&quot;Therefore, since they aren't slotted, So that wouldn't apply at all.EDIT:I might, having looked it over again, even rule that because the same set of items - a masterwork set of thieves' tools - applies equally to Disable Device and Open Locks checks, that competence bonuses to the same are actually &quot;Multiple Similar Abilities.&quot;That would make the cost actually:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">+5 competance bonus to disable device: 5*5*100= 2,500 gp.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">+5 competance bonus to open locks: 5*5*100=2,500gp</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">These are multiple similar abilities, so: 2,500gp * 0.75= 1,875 gp</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Slotless item: (2,500gp + 1,875gp) * 2 = 8,750 gp</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">add the cost of masterwork thief's tools: +100 gp</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">TOTAL PRICE: 8,850gp</li>
</ul>EDIT 2:To conclude, it's either a slotless item, in which case the x1.5 multiplier on additional abilities does not apply, or it is a slotted item, in which case the x2 total does not apply.&nbsp; You cannot apply both.Also, I'm not entirely certain that it's a slotless item.&nbsp; A truly slotless item is something that you need only have on your person in order to benefit from.&nbsp; These tools must be actively held in the hand and used in order to benefit from them.A slotless item that granted the above abilities would, for example, be a Brooch of the Masterthief, and would apply whether or not you were using MW thieves' tools, or, really, any tools at all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 1786143, member: 23094"] Actually, he's got a point, Nail. If they're slotless, as you surmise, then there's no real difference in having a set of "Magical Lockpicks (+5 Competence Bonus when Picking Locks)" and a "Magical Trap Kit (+5 Competence Bonus when Disarming Device)", as compared to a set of "Magical Thieves' Tools (+5 Competence to PL and DD)." Therefore, since they aren't slotted, So that wouldn't apply at all. EDIT: I might, having looked it over again, even rule that because the same set of items - a masterwork set of thieves' tools - applies equally to Disable Device and Open Locks checks, that competence bonuses to the same are actually "Multiple Similar Abilities." That would make the cost actually: [list] [*]+5 competance bonus to disable device: 5*5*100= 2,500 gp. [*]+5 competance bonus to open locks: 5*5*100=2,500gp [*]These are multiple similar abilities, so: 2,500gp * 0.75= 1,875 gp [*]Slotless item: (2,500gp + 1,875gp) * 2 = 8,750 gp [*]add the cost of masterwork thief's tools: +100 gp [*]TOTAL PRICE: 8,850gp [/list] EDIT 2: To conclude, it's either a slotless item, in which case the x1.5 multiplier on additional abilities does not apply, or it is a slotted item, in which case the x2 total does not apply. You cannot apply both. Also, I'm not entirely certain that it's a slotless item. A truly slotless item is something that you need only have on your person in order to benefit from. These tools must be actively held in the hand and used in order to benefit from them. A slotless item that granted the above abilities would, for example, be a Brooch of the Masterthief, and would apply whether or not you were using MW thieves' tools, or, really, any tools at all. [/QUOTE]

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