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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 294527" data-attributes="member: 2011">Re: Re: Re: Re: Magic Item Pricing: Spell Completion, No Charges.&quot;This +1 small wooden shield has a small leather strip on the back on which a spellcaster can scribe a single spell as on a scroll.&quot;It doesn't say that it is a scroll that can be scribed on, it says that it is a leather strip that can be scribed as on a scroll.They explicitly state that this is not a scroll (as on a scroll states this), rather a magical item that can be used that way with this sentence.In order to scribe on it, you would still need the Scribe Scroll feat. The item does not state that it explicitly gives you that ability.Just like this item does not give you Shield Proficiency.Exactly. It works like a scroll, but isn't a scroll. It's a shield.Hence, my original statement stands. This is a Spell Completion item since it uses the Scribe Scroll techniques.If it used some technique other than the one implied, wouldn't it have stated so?The designer's intent here is clear. This is not really ambiguous. It merely disputes your earlier implication that Spell Completion items must be scrolls. The designer could have stated that it is a bunch of runes written around the edge of the shield as opposed to a leather strip and it wouldn't have mattered. The game mechanics on how to scribe it and use it would not have changed.Ditto for scribed spells on a sword, ring, armor, cloak, whatever. Nothing in the rules prohibit combining multiple magic activation types in any sort of item.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 294527, member: 2011"] [b]Re: Re: Re: Re: Magic Item Pricing: Spell Completion, No Charges.[/b] "This +1 small wooden shield has a small leather strip on the back on which a spellcaster can scribe a single spell as on a scroll." It doesn't say that it is a scroll that can be scribed on, it says that it is a leather strip that can be scribed [b]as on a scroll[/b]. They explicitly state that this is not a scroll (as on a scroll states this), rather a magical item that can be used that way with this sentence. In order to scribe on it, you would still need the Scribe Scroll feat. The item does not state that it explicitly gives you that ability. Just like this item does not give you Shield Proficiency. Exactly. It works like a scroll, but isn't a scroll. It's a shield. Hence, my original statement stands. This is a Spell Completion item since it uses the Scribe Scroll techniques. If it used some technique other than the one implied, wouldn't it have stated so? The designer's intent here is clear. This is not really ambiguous. It merely disputes your earlier implication that Spell Completion items must be scrolls. The designer could have stated that it is a bunch of runes written around the edge of the shield as opposed to a leather strip and it wouldn't have mattered. The game mechanics on how to scribe it and use it would not have changed. Ditto for scribed spells on a sword, ring, armor, cloak, whatever. Nothing in the rules prohibit combining multiple magic activation types in any sort of item. [/QUOTE]

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