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Message: <blockquote data-quote="nightwalker450" data-source="post: 5959485" data-attributes="member: 94895">I've really got mixed feelings for this, but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until I see it in play test.Up to +3 in bonuses (higher for artifacts?)... +'s are still +'s, I'd rather they didn't go that high. When the rogue gets a +3 dagger, he's the weapon master then, not the fighter (especially if all the fighter has is his class +x bonuses to fighting). Getting an item that (with lower stat progression) almost doubles your bonus that's pretty significant... And you can't say that low levels won't have it, because then you're going back to tying magic items to level progression...  Up to level 5, you don't have an item, after that characters will have +1's... then at level 10 they will all junk those for +2's, and at level 15 they'll be able to get their hands on +3 items... It doesn't make for "flat math" it just makes for "flatter math" that still will have item expectations so that you aren't laughed at by fellow party members. Why are you still carrying your grandfather's antique sword, instead of using the new shiny +x bonus weapon? I'd only put +'s on the item if there is a reason for it. Why does the mace of smashing inanimate objects make it so much easier to hit the quick and agile goblin? Whereas a heartseeker blade that actually twists in your hand to more directly strike any heat producing creature (not constructs, water elementals, etc..) that makes sense.Escalating Armor via purchases... Why is the heavy armor wearer the only character that has to level up to get his base stats? If the concept of your class is wear heavy armor and hit things, and you won't be able to actually do half of that for multiple levels? If there are class options, or themes that will give you higher armors at the beginning then this could be a moot point though. Otherwise every other class is equipped with everything they need coming out the door... The fighter though comes out half dressed. This would be like the wizard being able to have 3 different at-will spells, but he'll only know 1. Or the rogue being able to pick locks with the proper tools, but unable to get those tools until a higher level, and still further until he'll get the tools to disarm traps.These are really negative sounding, but I honestly want to see them in play. Like I said I could see the second one being moot if there are class options/themes/backgrounds that bypass it.</blockquote>

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