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Magic Items: When do they become "Artifacts"
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<blockquote data-quote="kreynolds" data-source="post: 872340" data-attributes="member: 2829"><p>It certainly can be. According to the DMG, a +6 weapon is an artifact. According to the ELH, a +6 weapon is merely an epic weapon, and shockingly, nowhere near the power of an artifact. Also, you won't find any 250,000+ magic items in the DMG, yet you will find them in the ELH. The ELH redefines what an artifact is, effectively raising the bar.</p><p></p><p>Also, check out the Arms and Equipment Guide. In there, you will find the Balor's Sword of Soul Stealing. While it is over 200K, it isn't an artifact and it isn't an epic item (though it should be, due to its price). Next up is the Sword of the Solar. It uses the pricing formula's of the ELH, and while it costs nearly 4 million bucks, it isn't an artifact either. It's clearly stated to be an epic item, due to its enhancement bonus (+5 dancing vorpal). But, if you throw out the ELH and go with just the DMG, is it now an artifact because of the price? Or is it because of the high enhancement bonus?</p><p></p><p>By the way, if you stick with the DMG enhancement bonus formula and price out a +14 enhancement, you get 352,000gp, which is well over the 250,000 gp mark mentioned in Lord of the Iron Fortress. So, it could be either the price or the simple fact that the enhancement bonus goes beyond the standard +10 limit.</p><p></p><p>Then, of course, you have the default "It's an artifact because someone misplaced the recipe and/or instructions". It could be any of the above, but my bet is that cost is considered before anything else, followed closely by creative zealousness (i.e. the recipe bit), then everything else. Heck, it could also just be a matter of whether or not the item in question meets any of the aforementioned qualifications.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kreynolds, post: 872340, member: 2829"] It certainly can be. According to the DMG, a +6 weapon is an artifact. According to the ELH, a +6 weapon is merely an epic weapon, and shockingly, nowhere near the power of an artifact. Also, you won't find any 250,000+ magic items in the DMG, yet you will find them in the ELH. The ELH redefines what an artifact is, effectively raising the bar. Also, check out the Arms and Equipment Guide. In there, you will find the Balor's Sword of Soul Stealing. While it is over 200K, it isn't an artifact and it isn't an epic item (though it should be, due to its price). Next up is the Sword of the Solar. It uses the pricing formula's of the ELH, and while it costs nearly 4 million bucks, it isn't an artifact either. It's clearly stated to be an epic item, due to its enhancement bonus (+5 dancing vorpal). But, if you throw out the ELH and go with just the DMG, is it now an artifact because of the price? Or is it because of the high enhancement bonus? By the way, if you stick with the DMG enhancement bonus formula and price out a +14 enhancement, you get 352,000gp, which is well over the 250,000 gp mark mentioned in Lord of the Iron Fortress. So, it could be either the price or the simple fact that the enhancement bonus goes beyond the standard +10 limit. Then, of course, you have the default "It's an artifact because someone misplaced the recipe and/or instructions". It could be any of the above, but my bet is that cost is considered before anything else, followed closely by creative zealousness (i.e. the recipe bit), then everything else. Heck, it could also just be a matter of whether or not the item in question meets any of the aforementioned qualifications. [/QUOTE]
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