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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2880485" data-attributes="member: 2011">It is not about the average player. It is about the strength of the class. A metamagic sorcerer is one of the strongest classes if played correctly at mid to high levels.Watering that down by saying that average people cannot take advantage of that does not say anything about the strength of the class.I've already stated my opinion on this in this thread. They are not broken. But, they are potent if they take good metamagic feats.The position you took was Ad Populum and Ad Verecundiam which are not legal in a debate. Popular opinion, nor designer opinion, has any real bearing on the truth of the potential of the class. Now, if you are only using that to illustrate that they are not broken (and not to illustrate that they are weak), although not valid in a debate, I do not disagree with your statement.You have listed a series of reasons why Wizards are more powerful. These are strengths of a Wizard. But, many of those strengths are out of combat strengths. Many of them do not help that much when the chips are down. Metamagic sorcerers outshine Wizards in combat because that is where their strength lies.</blockquote>