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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2881012" data-attributes="member: 2011">I meant that people who use certain types of non-factual persuasive to the masses arguments bring nothing to the table.Facts matter. How many people or whether the designers have a given opinion means virtually nothing other than as a footnote.Your last two posts here are Ad Hominem. If you cannot convince by popular opinion, you attack the poster: calling somebody a name, or putting a label on them.That too is not legal in a debate, nor actually allowed here on the boards.But, it is interesting how many people don't use facts to back up their claims, instead they use rhetoric and then get "offended" when somebody calls them on it. You put some facts about Wizards into your Ad Populum and Ad Verecundiam post, in order to make it look legitimate. This is called Fallacy of Composition where some true facts are inserted to make the non-supportable claims appear true.I actually agree with you that Sorcerers are not broken. I do, however, think they are not weak and one of the most potent core classes at mid to high level, considerably stronger than Wizards. This is an opinion. I do not claim it as fact. I just personally know it to be true for well played characters.</blockquote>