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Message: <blockquote data-quote="terrainmonkey" data-source="post: 2894939" data-attributes="member: 26827"><p>why are you folks still arguing about this. magic missile is not overpowered at all. why anyone would say this about a 1st level spell is just, ... i'm sorry, Wrong!. NO. 25 points of damage. that's it. oh sure, there's a few feats, classes, etc. that give you more, but what, anouther couple of dice damage? maximized? what are we talking, 15 more points? really, DMs, come on. if you are making things so easy on your players such as having monsters with less than 40 hit points, you are not making enough of a challenge. folks at 9th level should be hitting things with no less than 60 hp, and that's minions. the BBEG is probaly sitting on somewhere in the neighborhood of 150+. and you are worried about Magic missile? get over it. move on to something else that is a better use of your discussion time. please. all you guys complaining about MM being too powerful for a 1st level spell need to go back to DM school and figure out better spells to get your players to use. magic missile stops being a good spell after 5th level. i have never had a mage use MM after this because the damage output is so minimal that it doesn't make sense at all to use it. in fact, i can count on 1 hand how many times a wizard in my party used magic missile in the last 5 years of DMing. it's a perfect 1st level spell. and it never gets out of hand.</p></blockquote><p></p>