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Message: <blockquote data-quote="apsuman" data-source="post: 2896452" data-attributes="member: 1769">Been a while since I was here...Is MM too powerful?  The answer is yes.  The proof is that it is still used by 10th and 15th level casters while other first level spells are not.  IMHO QED. Look there are a few other points brought out in the thread that I will address below but, imho, the constructive replies in this thread are comparing MM, a first level spell with fireball, a third level spell, and the give and take on the topic is that situationally one of them might be superior.  The fact that that arguement can (and has) been made indicates that MM has some real mojo going for it that other spells do not.Now back to something else that came up in the thread, sorcerers.  I love the class.  I do not think it is too powerful or too weak.  Were I to design the class I would have dome it slightly differently.  But there seems to be a fair bit of criticism about a) an 8th level sorcerer using MM in fourth level slots, and b) the ability for sorcerers in general to use spells in higher slots.  I would (like to try) to address both of those points in one general response.When a sorcerer gets spells of a higher level they only get to know one spell of that level.  Character level 8 is a really good example (but by no means the only one), they know a single fourth level spell, but they can cast three fourth level spells per day.  The net result is that situation is ripe for lower level spells to be cast in those slots.  Metamagic comes to mind.  Also, if the other characters are the meatshields, I could see a sorcerer not taking many damaging spells.  In 25 point buy maybe all the fighter types just would have awful saves against area effect spells like fireball.  Maybe the fourth level spell was improved invisibility and the sorcerer in question uses empowered silent magic missiles to damage opponents without being detected.  Maybe... I could easily think of 20 more possibilites without resorting to assming that the player must be an idiot for using MM in fourth level.Nobody asked (please correct me if I am wrong) the following question(s):  Why does the 8th level sorcerer use MM in fourth level slots often enough for you to remember and comment.  Please provide detail, is yours a campaign with lots of wraiths, a lack of other damaging spells (and why), a desire to not use that fireball spells, etc.?</blockquote>

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