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<blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 7100246" data-attributes="member: 6799649"><p>'Creature' is the same definition for each spell. <em>Mirror image</em> has the potential to move the target from the valid (creature) to a (usually invalid) image, and only because it specifically says it can. It doesn't turn images into creatures, it just moves a validly targetted spell to a new target: an image.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If only there was some definition in the PHB....wait, there is! The question we are asking is, "Does <em>magic missile</em> count as an attack?"</p><p></p><p>We have our definition: "If there’s ever any question whether something you’re doing counts as an attack..." Yes, that's the question we're asking! "...the rule is simple: if you’re making an attack roll, you’re making an attack"</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>JC said, "The mirror image spell has no effect on magic missile, which doesn't involve an attack".</p><p></p><p>It's clear. To count as an attack in 5E, it must have an attack roll. Unless there is a written exception, such as grapples and shoves ("Using the Attack action, you can make a special melee attack to shove a creature, either to knock it prone or push it away from you. If you’re able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them"). Neither <em>fireball</em> nor <em>magic missile</em> have attack rolls or specific language saying that they are 'attacks', so they are not, RAW.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It has no language saying any such thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It does <strong>not</strong> have language that says that it's an attack! MM works by changing the target of an attack. It has no effect on things that are not attacks. Spells do exactly what they say they do; it says it affects attacks, it doesn't mention anything about things that are not attacks, therefore it has no effect on things that are not attacks.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First, people are discussing it either because they don't understand the rule or because they are still thinking about the way these spells worked in previous editions where MM definitely <em>could</em> take out images, and MM was ideal for doing so. It just doesn't work that way in 5E, according to both the RAW and Sage Advice of the writer of those rules.</p><p></p><p>Second, although people can use whatever house rule they want, the actual rules for this situation cannot be legitimately interpreted either way. In this case one interpretation is correct and one is not.</p><p></p><p>Once again, "The mirror image spell has no effect on magic missile, which doesn't involve an attack", according to the final authority on RAW. Remember that this debate is about what the actual written rules are, not what anyone's house rule may be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arial Black, post: 7100246, member: 6799649"] 'Creature' is the same definition for each spell. [i]Mirror image[/i] has the potential to move the target from the valid (creature) to a (usually invalid) image, and only because it specifically says it can. It doesn't turn images into creatures, it just moves a validly targetted spell to a new target: an image. If only there was some definition in the PHB....wait, there is! The question we are asking is, "Does [i]magic missile[/i] count as an attack?" We have our definition: "If there’s ever any question whether something you’re doing counts as an attack..." Yes, that's the question we're asking! "...the rule is simple: if you’re making an attack roll, you’re making an attack" JC said, "The mirror image spell has no effect on magic missile, which doesn't involve an attack". It's clear. To count as an attack in 5E, it must have an attack roll. Unless there is a written exception, such as grapples and shoves ("Using the Attack action, you can make a special melee attack to shove a creature, either to knock it prone or push it away from you. If you’re able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them"). Neither [i]fireball[/i] nor [i]magic missile[/i] have attack rolls or specific language saying that they are 'attacks', so they are not, RAW. It has no language saying any such thing. It does [b]not[/b] have language that says that it's an attack! MM works by changing the target of an attack. It has no effect on things that are not attacks. Spells do exactly what they say they do; it says it affects attacks, it doesn't mention anything about things that are not attacks, therefore it has no effect on things that are not attacks. First, people are discussing it either because they don't understand the rule or because they are still thinking about the way these spells worked in previous editions where MM definitely [i]could[/i] take out images, and MM was ideal for doing so. It just doesn't work that way in 5E, according to both the RAW and Sage Advice of the writer of those rules. Second, although people can use whatever house rule they want, the actual rules for this situation cannot be legitimately interpreted either way. In this case one interpretation is correct and one is not. Once again, "The mirror image spell has no effect on magic missile, which doesn't involve an attack", according to the final authority on RAW. Remember that this debate is about what the actual written rules are, not what anyone's house rule may be. [/QUOTE]
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