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<blockquote data-quote="Zephyr9" data-source="post: 7111549" data-attributes="member: 72319">Let's take the case of Hold Person vs Mirror Image:- MI interpretation #1 - Hold Person is not an Attack (does not require an attack roll): Hold Person caster chooses his Target (the MI caster). He CANNOT target an image because HP only targets creatures an an image is not a creature. Since HP is NOT an Attack, a d20 is not rolled to see if an image is affected and the MI cater make roll a saving throw or be held.- MI interpretation #2: Hold Person is affected by MI: HP caster chooses his target (the MI caster or maybe an image?). The DM rolls a d20 and determines that an image is instead targeted. But wait - HP is not capable of targeting an image. So what happens? Is the spell slot expended? Since no damage was done to an image, it wouldn't disappear. The only way this interpretation of MI works is if the DM rules that spells that can only target creatures CAN target MI images. So can other images be targeted?My main problem with MI interpretation 2 is that it takes a pretty good 2nd level defensive spell that protects against melee and spells that require attack rolls and makes it a FAR more powerful defensive spell that protects against nearly all non-AOE spells that target creatures - and such spells won't even make an image go away since they probably don't do damage.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zephyr9, post: 7111549, member: 72319"] Let's take the case of Hold Person vs Mirror Image: - MI interpretation #1 - Hold Person is not an Attack (does not require an attack roll): Hold Person caster chooses his Target (the MI caster). He CANNOT target an image because HP only targets creatures an an image is not a creature. Since HP is NOT an Attack, a d20 is not rolled to see if an image is affected and the MI cater make roll a saving throw or be held. - MI interpretation #2: Hold Person is affected by MI: HP caster chooses his target (the MI caster or maybe an image?). The DM rolls a d20 and determines that an image is instead targeted. But wait - HP is not capable of targeting an image. So what happens? Is the spell slot expended? Since no damage was done to an image, it wouldn't disappear. The only way this interpretation of MI works is if the DM rules that spells that can only target creatures CAN target MI images. So can other images be targeted? My main problem with MI interpretation 2 is that it takes a pretty good 2nd level defensive spell that protects against melee and spells that require attack rolls and makes it a FAR more powerful defensive spell that protects against nearly all non-AOE spells that target creatures - and such spells won't even make an image go away since they probably don't do damage. [/QUOTE]

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