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<blockquote data-quote="fba827" data-source="post: 5340122" data-attributes="member: 807">Going back to the OP, the official rule directly out of the PHB (or Rules Compendium if you're using that, but it's the same thing).... Look up &quot;Line of Sight&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; in the rules compendium it's p100 at the top about 'targeting' and again on p106 for a fuller description that says the same thing in more words.&nbsp; ((It's written the same way in the PHB1, just different pages and I don't have that book handy at the moment.))But basically:You do not need line of sight to use a power unless the power specifies a target that you can see (for instance, some powers say things like close burst 1, target all enemies you can see -- that would require line of sight.&nbsp; By contrast, some powers just say close burst 1, all enemies -- that does not require line of sight so it could be done even when blinded).If magic missile says &quot;target: one creature you can see&quot; then you need line of sight (in addition to line of effect).&nbsp; But if magic missile says &quot;Target: one creature&quot; then you just need line of effect (and not line of sight).Since you're not making an attack roll, the penalty for total concealment has no chance to come in to play with this attack.Having said all that, if your DM decides to rule otherwise for the purposes of table agreement or plot/campaign/situational reasons, then, by all means, go with your DM's ruling in that situation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="fba827, post: 5340122, member: 807"] [B][U]Going back to the OP[/U][/B], the official rule directly out of the PHB (or Rules Compendium if you're using that, but it's the same thing).... Look up "Line of Sight" in the rules compendium it's p100 at the top about 'targeting' and again on p106 for a fuller description that says the same thing in more words. ((It's written the same way in the PHB1, just different pages and I don't have that book handy at the moment.)) But basically: You do not need line of sight to use a power unless the power specifies a target that you can see (for instance, some powers say things like close burst 1, target all enemies you can see -- that would require line of sight. By contrast, some powers just say close burst 1, all enemies -- that does not require line of sight so it could be done even when blinded). If magic missile says "target: one creature you can see" then you need line of sight (in addition to line of effect). But if magic missile says "Target: one creature" then you just need line of effect (and not line of sight). Since you're not making an attack roll, the penalty for total concealment has no chance to come in to play with this attack. Having said all that, if your DM decides to rule otherwise for the purposes of table agreement or plot/campaign/situational reasons, then, by all means, go with your DM's ruling in that situation. [/QUOTE]

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