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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3157216" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Err, so what? The caster would gain knowledge that his spell did not work on that image, but the caster also lost a spell doing so.</p><p></p><p>How is this much different than the Fighter would swings at the image while the "image caster" is standing on the side concentrating the entire time? Wouldn't the Fighter also get suspicious that the caster is looking his way and concentrating? Wouldn't the Fighter also quickly get a Will save to disbelieve when he interacts with the image that never hits him?</p><p></p><p>The Image spells are pretty worthless as is (I totally disagree with your "clever caster" comment). Which PC or NPC with any real intelligence uses them? The caster has to concentrate, so unlike Summoned Monster spells, the caster is using up all of his time concentrating, just so that one or more of his enemies swing at an image instead of at him. And oh btw, the caster is typically somewhat out in the open doing this (so that he can see the combat and make his image react).</p><p></p><p>As a temporary distraction, the Image spells are fine. As a waste your opponents' actions in combat spell (or keep opponents very busy as you stated it spell), they suck (in fact, most of the Illusion school sucks since WotC screwed up the mechanics of how they work).</p><p></p><p></p><p>What happens in your game if a Fireball is cast at a Major Image?</p><p></p><p>Does it: a) disappear? b) the caster automatically makes the image look crispy and this automatically fools every viewer? c) the caster needs some sort of Concentration or other roll (e.g. Bluff) to make the image look crispy and fool other viewers? d) the viewers get to make a Will save to disbelieve since the caster changes the appearance of the image to make it look crispy and hence all viewers are interacting with the image?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3157216, member: 2011"] Err, so what? The caster would gain knowledge that his spell did not work on that image, but the caster also lost a spell doing so. How is this much different than the Fighter would swings at the image while the "image caster" is standing on the side concentrating the entire time? Wouldn't the Fighter also get suspicious that the caster is looking his way and concentrating? Wouldn't the Fighter also quickly get a Will save to disbelieve when he interacts with the image that never hits him? The Image spells are pretty worthless as is (I totally disagree with your "clever caster" comment). Which PC or NPC with any real intelligence uses them? The caster has to concentrate, so unlike Summoned Monster spells, the caster is using up all of his time concentrating, just so that one or more of his enemies swing at an image instead of at him. And oh btw, the caster is typically somewhat out in the open doing this (so that he can see the combat and make his image react). As a temporary distraction, the Image spells are fine. As a waste your opponents' actions in combat spell (or keep opponents very busy as you stated it spell), they suck (in fact, most of the Illusion school sucks since WotC screwed up the mechanics of how they work). What happens in your game if a Fireball is cast at a Major Image? Does it: a) disappear? b) the caster automatically makes the image look crispy and this automatically fools every viewer? c) the caster needs some sort of Concentration or other roll (e.g. Bluff) to make the image look crispy and fool other viewers? d) the viewers get to make a Will save to disbelieve since the caster changes the appearance of the image to make it look crispy and hence all viewers are interacting with the image? [/QUOTE]
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