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Magic Shield's "Bashing" Ability [Vetoed]
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<blockquote data-quote="Rae ArdGaoth" data-source="post: 3434602" data-attributes="member: 21064"><p>Let's pretend I have a shield-bashing character. We'll call him "Shnasereit". Shnazh for short. Shnazh has Improved Shield Bash, so he can bash with a shield without losing his bonus to AC.</p><p></p><p>Shnazh has just come into a large sum of money, and he wants to buy a magical shield he can use to attack and defend. He could buy a <em>+1 Light Spiked Shield of Bashing</em> for <strong>4000gp</strong>, which would do 1d8+1 damage and grant a +2 shield bonus to AC.</p><p></p><p>If Bashing was made into a weapon ability (lets call it <em>Smashing</em>, it just increases the damage die type), he could buy a <em>+1 (weapon) +1 (armor) Light Spiked Shield of Smashing</em> for <strong>9000gp</strong>, which would do 1d8+1 damage and grant a +2 shield bonus to AC, just like the first shield. More than twice the price for the same product? That's dumb, Shnazh will definitely buy the first shield. But what if he wants to upgrade?</p><p></p><p>Let's say later Shnazh comes into a larger sum of money. He wants to upgrade his shield by increasing the attack bonus. To upgrade the first shield, he needs to spend 8000gp to add a +2 weapon bonus (up from +0). It's now a +2 (weapon) +1 (armor) Light Spiked Shield of Bashing valued at <strong>12,000gp</strong>, that does 1d8+2 damage, grants a +2 enhancement bonus to attack rolls, and grants a +2 shield bonus to AC.</p><p></p><p>Had Shnazh purchased the second shield, he would need to spend 10,000gp to increase the weapon bonus to +3. It's now a <em>+2 (weapon) +1 (armor) Light Spiked Shield of Smashing</em>, valued at <strong>19,000gp</strong>. It does the exact same thing as the upgraded first shield. The discrepancy is the same, 5000gp. Upping the armor bonus is cheaper on the Smashing Shield (+3000gp < +4000gp), but even then the total value of the Bashing Shield is still 4000gp cheaper.</p><p></p><p>Why would Shnazh ever get a <em>Shield of Smashing</em>? It's much more expensive, and money doesn't come often in LEW. If Smashing increased the damage die <em>and</em> gave a magical weapon enhancement bonus, then the <em>+1 (weapon) +1 (armor) Light Spiked Shield of Smashing</em> would do 1d8+2 damage and cost <strong>9000gp</strong>. According to my proposed rule change, a <em>+1 (weapon) +1 (armor) Shield of Bashing</em> which did 1d8+2 damage would cost <strong>10,000gp</strong>.</p><p></p><p>So what kind of weapon ability did you have in mind, Rystil?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rae ArdGaoth, post: 3434602, member: 21064"] Let's pretend I have a shield-bashing character. We'll call him "Shnasereit". Shnazh for short. Shnazh has Improved Shield Bash, so he can bash with a shield without losing his bonus to AC. Shnazh has just come into a large sum of money, and he wants to buy a magical shield he can use to attack and defend. He could buy a [i]+1 Light Spiked Shield of Bashing[/i] for [b]4000gp[/b], which would do 1d8+1 damage and grant a +2 shield bonus to AC. If Bashing was made into a weapon ability (lets call it [i]Smashing[/i], it just increases the damage die type), he could buy a [i]+1 (weapon) +1 (armor) Light Spiked Shield of Smashing[/i] for [b]9000gp[/b], which would do 1d8+1 damage and grant a +2 shield bonus to AC, just like the first shield. More than twice the price for the same product? That's dumb, Shnazh will definitely buy the first shield. But what if he wants to upgrade? Let's say later Shnazh comes into a larger sum of money. He wants to upgrade his shield by increasing the attack bonus. To upgrade the first shield, he needs to spend 8000gp to add a +2 weapon bonus (up from +0). It's now a +2 (weapon) +1 (armor) Light Spiked Shield of Bashing valued at [b]12,000gp[/b], that does 1d8+2 damage, grants a +2 enhancement bonus to attack rolls, and grants a +2 shield bonus to AC. Had Shnazh purchased the second shield, he would need to spend 10,000gp to increase the weapon bonus to +3. It's now a [i]+2 (weapon) +1 (armor) Light Spiked Shield of Smashing[/i], valued at [b]19,000gp[/b]. It does the exact same thing as the upgraded first shield. The discrepancy is the same, 5000gp. Upping the armor bonus is cheaper on the Smashing Shield (+3000gp < +4000gp), but even then the total value of the Bashing Shield is still 4000gp cheaper. Why would Shnazh ever get a [i]Shield of Smashing[/i]? It's much more expensive, and money doesn't come often in LEW. If Smashing increased the damage die [i]and[/i] gave a magical weapon enhancement bonus, then the [i]+1 (weapon) +1 (armor) Light Spiked Shield of Smashing[/i] would do 1d8+2 damage and cost [b]9000gp[/b]. According to my proposed rule change, a [i]+1 (weapon) +1 (armor) Shield of Bashing[/i] which did 1d8+2 damage would cost [b]10,000gp[/b]. So what kind of weapon ability did you have in mind, Rystil? [/QUOTE]
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